Harrison suspended 4 games

[YanksHater213]

Ummmm...

 

Milloy....battle over money.

Law....battle over money.

Branch...who you forgot, was battle over money.

Dillon...he started to get grumpy, and hes now gone.

Damien Woody....battle over money.

Brown....ahhhhh that doesnt ring a bell. Vincent Brown? Troy Brown? Both have/will retire as patriots.

 

I guess that proves your point, and you are right....Belichick doesnt f*** around, he wants to win...which is why #37 will be the starting SS as soon as he is ready.

 

Bellichick will not get rid of a player (one of his favorite btw) because he made a stupid mistake. Harrison took a pay cut to play here...and he loves it in New England.

Thats my point exactly... He's willing to get rid of players who f*** around. Harrison took HGH, and I wouldn't have been surprised if he had gotten released... Belichick doesn't take s*** from anyone.

[mtbykr]

Thats my point exactly... He's willing to get rid of players who f*** around. Harrison took HGH' date=' and I wouldn't have been surprised if he had gotten released... Belichick doesn't take s*** from anyone.[/quote']

 

Today in his interview on WEEI, his exact words were: "Rodney covered everything pretty much in his statement, I don't have anything to add to that. It's unfortunate, but we'll go on and look forward to him coming back"

 

 

BB always does what's in the best interest of the team, and cutting the leader on D isn't the best thing for the team.

[See Red]

I disagree. He could've sent a strong message to the team and he failed to do so. You cheated? Oh well, you're a team leader so we'll forgive you. The message he should've sent was "You do anything to make this organization look bad and you'll be looking for a new place to play." -- the fact that Harrison's a team leader would just strengthen the fact that no player is above the team. How much does this hurt Harrison's image as the team leader? If I'm a Patriots player and Harrison's getting on me about a missed tackle or what have you then I'm looking at him and saying "Hey, we're not all willing to cheat to get to where we want to be" and taking everything he tells me with a grain of salt.

 

It is absolutely incredible how much sports fans are able to forgive and forget when a player who messes up either plays for their team or is a nice guy.

[TheKilo]

I disagree. He could've sent a strong message to the team and he failed to do so. You cheated? Oh well, you're a team leader so we'll forgive you. The message he should've sent was "You do anything to make this organization look bad and you'll be looking for a new place to play." -- the fact that Harrison's a team leader would just strengthen the fact that no player is above the team. How much does this hurt Harrison's image as the team leader? If I'm a Patriots player and Harrison's getting on me about a missed tackle or what have you then I'm looking at him and saying "Hey, we're not all willing to cheat to get to where we want to be" and taking everything he tells me with a grain of salt.

It is absolutely incredible how much sports fans are able to forgive and forget when a player who messes up either plays for their team or is a nice guy.

 

I agree 100%. Where are all of the Pats fans saying that their organization is the best in sports? They're saying "it was his choice and not a perception of the organization as a whole."

 

And yet they are perfectly happy claiming it was their organization that turned a guy like Corey Dillon from a whiner to a consummate teammate. Can't have it both ways, Pats fans.

[riverside sluggers]

It is absolutely incredible how much sports fans are able to forgive and forget when a player who messes up either plays for their team or is a nice guy.

 

I dont forgive Harrison. It was dumb s*** and he shouldnt have done that (hello Rodney they do something called drug testing), the suspension was well deserving

[schillingouttheks]

I agree 100%. Where are all of the Pats fans saying that their organization is the best in sports? They're saying "it was his choice and not a perception of the organization as a whole."

 

And yet they are perfectly happy claiming it was their organization that turned a guy like Corey Dillon from a whiner to a consummate teammate. Can't have it both ways, Pats fans.

 

Those Pats fans are idiots. Like the Red Sox, they jumped on when they won a lot. I promise you that not all of us are like that.

 

Some of the fans on here that got all over Giambi are being pretty lenient with Harrison. Isn't this pretty much the same situation? When Giambi confessed, a lot of people didn't care that he was forthcoming and honest - they just wanted him fried and out of baseball. Now, those same people (now that it has happened at home) are saying it was his choice, he was being a man about it, etc etc... Guess what guys? It's the same situation. You can't grind Giambi and then turn around and be light on Harrison.

 

For the record, I feel I've been pretty consistent with my stance. Giambi should have served his punishment and when he came back, he better have helped that team in the best way he could (legally, of course). Same with Harrison, he better serve his suspension and not complain, and when he's eligible to return he better be in the best shape of his life and help this team like he never has before. Because if I get anything short of that, I'll be the first one to rip him a new one.

[mtbykr]

I agree 100%. Where are all of the Pats fans saying that their organization is the best in sports? They're saying "it was his choice and not a perception of the organization as a whole."

 

And yet they are perfectly happy claiming it was their organization that turned a guy like Corey Dillon from a whiner to a consummate teammate. Can't have it both ways, Pats fans.

 

Obviously you hate the pats and that has clouded your judgement. Dillion, and Moss for example came in to the pats system and did (and are doing) what they were supposed to do. They did this because they wanted to win and no crap is tolerated here like it was where they came from....no playing things out in the media, ect....

 

Rodney made a mistake, and he will pay dearly for it. (losing 25% of this years salary and any shot at the HOF) I don't condone or excuse what he did; he did it and must pay the price. I still do however respect him for the person he is. The evidence that the investigators have says that he bought a small amount of HGH. (small amounts are actually prescribed by doctors for certain conditions, large amounts are harmful) He could have easily said that he bought it, thought better of it, and threw it away without ever using it and there is nothing that the NFL could do. (there is no test for HGH) However he came forward, told the truth, took responsibility, and will take the punishment. Most people today, athletes included, would try everything to get out of it. Say what you want about him, but he did something wrong and when confronted he told the truth instead of spinning it.

 

Most people will rip him, rip the pats, ect... and that's fine.....the majority of them hate the pats to begin with so what does it matter. The pats aren't perfect, and took it hard because their defensive leader and heart of the team is responsible for this storm right now. I guess if there is any positive i can take out of this it's that Rodney took this while he was off the field trying to recover (ironically small amounts are prescribed for this type injury...just not in the NFL as it's illegal) and stopped when he got back on the field....that and the fact that he stood up and took responsibility instead of trying to dodge and spin it. Again I am not condoning what he did, i guess i can understand why he would try it.....although he and everybody else has to realize that there are consequences to your actions.

[mtbykr]

I dont forgive Harrison. It was dumb s*** and he shouldnt have done that (hello Rodney they do something called drug testing)' date=' the suspension was well deserving[/quote']

 

 

there's no test for HGH....he didn't fail a test, paperwork traced back to him buying some HGH

[See Red]

there's no test for HGH....he didn't fail a test' date=' paperwork traced back to him buying some HGH[/quote']

 

Not entirely accurate. There's no test that the NFL uses to test for HGH. There is a test to detect HGH but it's a blood test and the NFL only does urine testing. But your point still stands.

[mtbykr]

Those Pats fans are idiots. Like the Red Sox, they jumped on when they won a lot. I promise you that not all of us are like that.

 

Some of the fans on here that got all over Giambi are being pretty lenient with Harrison. Isn't this pretty much the same situation? When Giambi confessed, a lot of people didn't care that he was forthcoming and honest - they just wanted him fried and out of baseball. Now, those same people (now that it has happened at home) are saying it was his choice, he was being a man about it, etc etc... Guess what guys? It's the same situation. You can't grind Giambi and then turn around and be light on Harrison.

 

For the record, I feel I've been pretty consistent with my stance. Giambi should have served his punishment and when he came back, he better have helped that team in the best way he could (legally, of course). Same with Harrison, he better serve his suspension and not complain, and when he's eligible to return he better be in the best shape of his life and help this team like he never has before. Because if I get anything short of that, I'll be the first one to rip him a new one.

 

 

 

I agree...at first I hated Giambi (mostly because of the HR's in the 03alcs which were tainted) but it takes a big man to come forward and tell the truth and give him credit for that.

 

I look at Rodney's situation a little different. He took HGH after his knee injury, to help him recover. HGH in small amounts is very helpful in this arena, and is prescribed by doctors in a lot of cases. He used it to help him heal and then quit when he got back on the field.....Giambi used it to enhance his play on the field. Now Rodney was never caught using it and could have easily pulled the "i bought it and then threw it away without using it" line.........but he didn't, he took responsibility and will take his punishment.

 

The bottom line is it was cheating and he should be punished. He is, is not trying to get out of it, and will come back after it's done.

[mtbykr]

Not entirely accurate. There's no test that the NFL uses to test for HGH. There is a test to detect HGH but it's a blood test and the NFL only does urine testing. But your point still stands.

 

to my knowledge (and I'm no expert) there is no accurate test. The reason being the human body actually makes HGH (or what HGH is supposed to act like) so in small amounts it's untraceable....however in large amounts they can detect it.................but since the test isn't accurate the NFL won't allow it.

[schillingouttheks]

I agree...at first I hated Giambi (mostly because of the HR's in the 03alcs which were tainted) but it takes a big man to come forward and tell the truth and give him credit for that.

 

I look at Rodney's situation a little different. He took HGH after his knee injury, to help him recover. HGH in small amounts is very helpful in this arena, and is prescribed by doctors in a lot of cases. He used it to help him heal and then quit when he got back on the field.....Giambi used it to enhance his play on the field. Now Rodney was never caught using it and could have easily pulled the "i bought it and then threw it away without using it" line.........but he didn't, he took responsibility and will take his punishment.

 

The bottom line is it was cheating and he should be punished. He is, is not trying to get out of it, and will come back after it's done.

 

I think you took my post slightly the wrong way. I hate Giambi for doing what he did (I don't care if he apologized and stood up like a man), but he served his suspension and helped his team when he got back. That's what should be reasonably expected from anyone who's caught cheating.

 

I dislike Harrison for this. I don't care if you're trying to come back from injury...it's illegal to use in the NFL, and you have to know this. I don't like him for this whole incident, but I still want him on this team because he gives us the best chance to win. When he comes back, I expect him to be in the best shape of his life and helping this team like he never has before. If I see anything less, I'll be the first to call him out.

[riverside sluggers]

there's no test for HGH....he didn't fail a test' date=' paperwork traced back to him buying some HGH[/quote']

 

Ok well even so Im still against what he did, he knowingly purchased a product that could get him in serious trouble

[mtbykr]

Ok well even so Im still against what he did' date=' he knowingly purchased a product that could get him in serious trouble[/quote']

 

I'm not condoning what he did, just pointing out that he didn't fail a test. Nor will any athlete that takes HGH...he got caught buying it. I am not making excuses for him in any way

[mtbykr]

I think you took my post slightly the wrong way. I hate Giambi for doing what he did (I don't care if he apologized and stood up like a man), but he served his suspension and helped his team when he got back. That's what should be reasonably expected from anyone who's caught cheating.

 

I dislike Harrison for this. I don't care if you're trying to come back from injury...it's illegal to use in the NFL, and you have to know this. I don't like him for this whole incident, but I still want him on this team because he gives us the best chance to win. When he comes back, I expect him to be in the best shape of his life and helping this team like he never has before. If I see anything less, I'll be the first to call him out.

 

Fair enough, I knew what you meant I just don't think i came across the right way. I don't condone what he did, I'm not making excuses, ect... He did it and he deserves the punishment. I'm just glad he stood up and took the responsibility and the punishment instead of spinning it. Again I'm not making excuses for him...just trying to understand how a guy that I (along with many more) respect could come to a decision like this. I am sure he probably thought something like "well I'm not going to use it on the field, to enhance my play, ect...just to help me recover...and it's used for this purpose outside the NFL" I guess I can understand how he came to such a stupid decision. The human mind can justify anything in the moment when the goal is in sight.

[schillingouttheks]

Well yeah, I'm glad he was just honest too. I'd think even less of him if he tried to cover it up.

[TheKilo]

Obviously you hate the pats and that has clouded your judgement. Dillion' date=' and Moss for example came in to the pats system and did (and are doing) what they were supposed to do. They did this because they wanted to win and no crap is tolerated here like it was where they came from....no playing things out in the media, ect....[/quote']

 

Yes, I obviously hate the Pats. Why is it that you guys take the stance of "our organization has the moral high ground on all matters. People come here because they want to win and our organization doesn't tolerate any crap."

 

News flash. One of your defensive leaders just got caught with HGH and Moss? He hasn't practiced in a f***ing month. Give me a break.

 

Rodney made a mistake, and he will pay dearly for it. (losing 25% of this years salary and any shot at the HOF) I don't condone or excuse what he did; he did it and must pay the price. I still do however respect him for the person he is. The evidence that the investigators have says that he bought a small amount of HGH. (small amounts are actually prescribed by doctors for certain conditions, large amounts are harmful) He could have easily said that he bought it, thought better of it, and threw it away without ever using it and there is nothing that the NFL could do. (there is no test for HGH) However he came forward, told the truth, took responsibility, and will take the punishment. Most people today, athletes included, would try everything to get out of it. Say what you want about him, but he did something wrong and when confronted he told the truth instead of spinning it.

 

He also went out and bought a substance that he knew to be illegal. I think it's a stretch to say that what he did was leaps and bounds ahead of what Merriman did last year just because he admitted to using it. They were both dumb enough to be caught with a banned substance, only Merriman was dumber in his lame ass excuse. Sorry, but since both players got caught with something illegal you can't sit there and tell me RH is a stand up guy over this.

 

Most people will rip him, rip the pats, ect... and that's fine.....the majority of them hate the pats to begin with so what does it matter. The pats aren't perfect, and took it hard because their defensive leader and heart of the team is responsible for this storm right now. I guess if there is any positive i can take out of this it's that Rodney took this while he was off the field trying to recover (ironically small amounts are prescribed for this type injury...just not in the NFL as it's illegal) and stopped when he got back on the field....that and the fact that he stood up and took responsibility instead of trying to dodge and spin it. Again I am not condoning what he did, i guess i can understand why he would try it.....although he and everybody else has to realize that there are consequences to your actions.

 

Would you say the same thing for Barry Bonds?

[mtbykr]

Yes' date=' I obviously hate the Pats. Why is it that you guys take the stance of "our organization has the moral high ground on all matters. People come here because they want to win and our organization doesn't tolerate any crap."[/quote']

 

Stop putting words in my mouth, i never said that. I said that the pats have a system and they bring players in that fit that system. If they don't then they get cut, and if they are there they follow the system. I never said that the pats have the "moral high ground"; However I do believe that they try to, from the ownership on down....please prove me wrong! You want to blame what Rodney did on the pats and now that he did that the entire organization is at fault, when it's clear that he acted alone....your hatred of the pats is boiling over.

 

News flash. One of your defensive leaders just got caught with HGH and Moss? He hasn't practiced in a f***ing month. Give me a break.

 

Actually probably the most important defensive leader; it sucks, and this reflects on him and him alone. I also think (which i have mentioned) that he showed his character when he came forward and owned up, took responsibility, and took the punishment. He could have very easily gotten out of it since they only have proof that he bought a small amount. Everyone makes mistakes, and that's what this is...it was a mistake. It's how one handles it when push comes to shove that shows the true character of the man. I've made plenty of mistakes, and I've taken the hit for them as well.

 

 

How is Moss not playing in a month because of an injury even relevant to your argument? (i guess your hatred boiling over again) When I brought him up I was speaking of his attitude in settling into the pats system. In an interview today it was very evident....he came here to win and to be part of this team.

 

 

He also went out and bought a substance that he knew to be illegal. I think it's a stretch to say that what he did was leaps and bounds ahead of what Merriman did last year just because he admitted to using it. They were both dumb enough to be caught with a banned substance, only Merriman was dumber in his lame ass excuse. Sorry, but since both players got caught with something illegal you can't sit there and tell me RH is a stand up guy over this.

 

 

Please don't compare Rodney and Merriman. The only thing they have in common (other than playing for SD) is that they both were suspended 4 games for a banned substance. Merriman failed a roid test, and then tried to spin the whole thing with the ' it must have been a supplement' crap. Merriman used roids to help him gain an edge on the field....rodney used HGH while off the field rehabbing his knee. (which in turn got him back on the field probably faster) Rodney never failed a test, never used a banned substance on the field, but was caught via paperwork buying HGH. He made a stupid decision to use something to help rehab his knee (that again is common practice outside of the NFL) and now he will pay the price. I can tell you he is a stand up guy; he made a mistake and he owned up to it when he could have lied and gotten out of it......while merriman continues the spin to this day, please don't compare the two.

 

 

Would you say the same thing for Barry Bonds?

 

You act like I'm making excuses for Rodney which I'm not. Bonds used stuff to help his on the field performance. (allegedly since we don't have any positive tests, just the book) Rodney did the crime, he will do the time. Period. My whole point here was to say that this is an example of how anyone can make a mistake and I can understand how he came to the decision. (while i don't agree with it, i can understand how he probably rationalized it at the time)

 

With all that said however it's a moot point because your mind is made up, you hate the pats, and this is just something else to rip them on. I can present you with all the facts, but your emotion is running your argument. We can agree then to disagree. Rodney will serve his time and come back, it was a stupid thing to do and he will pay for it the rest of his life.

[TheKilo]

Stop putting words in my mouth' date=' i never said that. I said that the pats have a system and they bring players in that fit that system. If they don't then they get cut, and if they are there they follow the system. I never said that the pats have the "moral high ground"; However I do believe that they try to, from the ownership on down....please prove me wrong! You want to blame what Rodney did on the pats and now that he did that the entire organization is at fault, when it's clear that he acted alone....your hatred of the pats is boiling over. [/quote']

 

You still never really answered my question. How can an organization take credit for being the best in football and turn head cases like Dillon and Moss around and then all of a sudden turn away from the Harrison situation? They can get credit for making Corey Dillon a winner but no criticism about RH?

 

 

Actually probably the most important defensive leader; it sucks, and this reflects on him and him alone. I also think (which i have mentioned) that he showed his character when he came forward and owned up, took responsibility, and took the punishment. He could have very easily gotten out of it since they only have proof that he bought a small amount. Everyone makes mistakes, and that's what this is...it was a mistake. It's how one handles it when push comes to shove that shows the true character of the man. I've made plenty of mistakes, and I've taken the hit for them as well.

 

So tell me again why I should think RH is a stand up guy for getting caught with an illegal substance?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't compare Rodney and Merriman. The only thing they have in common (other than playing for SD) is that they both were suspended 4 games for a banned substance.

 

I said that.

 

Merriman failed a roid test, and then tried to spin the whole thing with the ' it must have been a supplement' crap. Merriman used roids to help him gain an edge on the field....rodney used HGH while off the field rehabbing his knee. (which in turn got him back on the field probably faster)

 

So, in essence, they both took PED's, but I'm supposed to cut Harrison some slack because he "did it to get back on the field faster", knowing it was illegal? PS, Harrison using something to rehab his knee faster and make it stronger gives him an edge on the field, too.

 

Rodney never failed a test, never used a banned substance on the field, but was caught via paperwork buying HGH. He made a stupid decision to use something to help rehab his knee (that again is common practice outside of the NFL) and now he will pay the price. I can tell you he is a stand up guy; he made a mistake and he owned up to it when he could have lied and gotten out of it......while merriman continues the spin to this day, please don't compare the two.

 

RH never failed a test but admitted to using it. Merriman failed a test and doesn't admit to using it.

 

Moral - They're both idiots for getting caught.

 

If Pats fans can criticize the SD organization for letting Merriman play after his incident the Patriots are now also open to that same criticism.

 

 

 

 

You act like I'm making excuses for Rodney which I'm not.

 

Oh but you are.

 

Bonds used stuff to help his on the field performance. (allegedly since we don't have any positive tests, just the book)

 

When Barry Bonds was using PED's they weren't illegal. And yes, it may have helped his on field performance, but so does HGH for Rodney.

 

Rodney did the crime, he will do the time. Period. My whole point here was to say that this is an example of how anyone can make a mistake and I can understand how he came to the decision. (while i don't agree with it, i can understand how he probably rationalized it at the time)

 

That right there, is making excuses for Rodney Harrison.

 

With all that said however it's a moot point because your mind is made up, you hate the pats, and this is just something else to rip them on. I can present you with all the facts, but your emotion is running your argument. We can agree then to disagree. Rodney will serve his time and come back, it was a stupid thing to do and he will pay for it the rest of his life.

 

I have plenty of other things to hate the Pats about, but can you now sit there and tell me the Pats organization is as wonderful as you think it is?

[See Red]

The thing is that the Patriots have done nothing with Moss for anybody to claim they've "changed his ways". Moss' biggest problem on the field? He takes plays off an doesn't try his hardest. He's done nothing to disprove this considering he hasn't seen any action in the preseason and hasn't practiced in a month.

 

In regards to Corey Dillon... the was a malcontent because of the situation he was in -- he could've gone anywhere to get out of Cincinnati and he'd have changed his ways.

 

Kilo's spot on. Don't point to the examples that benefit your argument here and then turn a blind eye to one that doesn't. By the way... I read "if they don't change they get cut" at some point in this thread. Quick question... why is Harrison not getting cut, then? Oh yeah, because he's played in a few Pro Bowls.

 

By the way... Javon Walker hasn't had any contract disputes since he's been in Denver... it's because the Broncos are the greatest franchise ever and changed his ways. And Travis Henry hasn't fathered any illegitimate children in Colorado yet as a Bronco. Chalk another one up for Denver.

 

edit: By the way, Kilo... great avatar.

[ARod2212]

Damn you for beating me to the Giambi comparison, but I agree.

 

Good job for at least being a man about it, but f*** you for cheating. Don't do it again, work to build your reputation again, and produce on the field.

[Mr Crunchy]

news flash for you who feel personally violated and betrayed

its time to grow up

 

there isnt now nor has there ever been testing on this specific product

how many others are out there on his own team??

hmmmmn

the owners and brass of the nfl are completely full of s*** and have been for an eternity

im not defending rodney harrison but i dont give a s*** either

the man is 34 years old,he has maybe 10-12 more years of walking erect before the combination of weight training,practice and the violence of his position renders him a cripple...all he wants to do is get on the field and he doesnt care what happens to his health so long as he gets another shot at the big game

is this so bad??

should we call in congress for their input??

 

i suggest all of the esteemed members who feel violated and betrayed by mr harrisons actions boycott the nfl because i guarantee you that there are men on both sides of the ball in every game being watched that are dirty.

ever lift up a piece of damp wood near the river and see all the strange and scary creatures that are uncovered??

this is what the nfl doesnt want you guys to see

 

to each their own but i could give a s*** less as long as our new strong safety can play the run and cover a tight end deep

[mtbykr]

You still never really answered my question. How can an organization take credit for being the best in football and turn head cases like Dillon and Moss around and then all of a sudden turn away from the Harrison situation? They can get credit for making Corey Dillon a winner but no criticism about RH?

 

How are you coming to these conclusions, because I have never said anything like this? You keep claiming that they take credit for being the best in football, I have never said that and I don't know of any instance where they have done this. All I have said is that the pats have their system, and they bring people in that fit their system. Players know, or are told what is required of them if they want to play there...if it doesn't work out then they are cut. That's how the pats do business, and I am sure that there are a lot of others teams that act the same way. (i have never said otherwise). I do think that from the ownership down the pats try and be the best they can. Dillion worked here, if it didn't he would have been let go....there are plenty of players who didn't work here.

 

Please provide one example of how the pats organization has "taken credit for dillon" or "turned away from the rodney situation". I think you buy a little too much into what the media says about the pats!

 

 

 

So tell me again why I should think RH is a stand up guy for getting caught with an illegal substance?

 

I could care less what you do. I was simply stating what the differences where between rodney and merriman. In addition I was showing how he could have very easily gotten away with it if he lied and said something like "i bought it, but never used it". I never said he was a stand up guy for using or getting caught. I said he's a stand up guy period: he was a stand up guy before, made a mistake, and when confronted instead of running he owned up to it. I could list a lot of examples here like putting people through college, putting in new gym floors for churches, ect.. (all of which were done without the media, and if it not for the church calling WEEI nobody would have ever known) Rodney was a stand up guy before all of this happened, he made a mistake ( a huge and really stupid one) but he's owned up to it and will take his punishment and go on.

 

The difference between us is that we both know he cheated, we both think it was stupid, but I realize that he's a good guy who made a huge mistake and I can look past it after he has served his time........you are just looking for something else to rip the pats because you have some preconceived notion that they think their better than everyone else.

 

 

So, in essence, they both took PED's, but I'm supposed to cut Harrison some slack because he "did it to get back on the field faster", knowing it was illegal? PS, Harrison using something to rehab his knee faster and make it stronger gives him an edge on the field, too.

 

I never asked you to cut him some slack, and if you would actually read my post you would realize that I said the same thing you did in your PS:rolleyes: I simply pointed out the differences between the cases, where you want to lump everything together

 

RH never failed a test but admitted to using it. Merriman failed a test and doesn't admit to using it.

 

Moral - They're both idiots for getting caught.

 

 

No their both idiots for using a banned substance, getting caught was just the end result.

 

 

 

 

If Pats fans can criticize the SD organization for letting Merriman play after his incident the Patriots are now also open to that same criticism.

 

Please just stick to the relevant facts, and don't lump me in with all pats fans. You seem to love to generalize everything without being able to distinguish noticable differences. I never criticized SD for letting him play. I will criticize the NFL for having him in the running for defensive player of the year in a year where he was suspended for roids. I don't blame SD for having one of their best players play after serving his time. I can't stand Merriman, but he should be on the field if his team wants him to be

 

 

 

Oh but you are.

 

:wtf: No I'm not. I simply pointed out how his mind may have rationalized it at the time. I am not making excuses, what he did was wrong and he should be punished (which I've said many times)

 

 

 

When Barry Bonds was using PED's they weren't illegal. And yes, it may have helped his on field performance, but so does HGH for Rodney.

 

Wrong again, they were illegal. MLB didn't have it on their list, but it was illegal in the US. HGH didn't help Rodney on the field, it helped him get their quicker. If you look at the play of him before and after it's the same......Bonds play before and after was quite different. Both are illegal, but in different ways....if you can't distinguish that in your mind then i can't help you

 

 

That right there, is making excuses for Rodney Harrison.

 

No it's not....me saying i can understand how he probably rationalized it is not me making an excuse for him. I can understand something without agreeing with it...i can understand why he did it (and it's speculation on my part), but that doesn't mean i condone it, agree with it, or make excuses for it.

 

 

 

I have plenty of other things to hate the Pats about, but can you now sit there and tell me the Pats organization is as wonderful as you think it is?

 

 

I'm not trying to change your mind, it's made up and that's fine. The pats have their way of doing things and you have some preconceived notion that they think their better than everyone else. Every team in the NFL has thier own way of doing things, the pats just seems to work a little better.....the results speak for themselves!

[mtbykr]

The thing is that the Patriots have done nothing with Moss for anybody to claim they've "changed his ways". Moss' biggest problem on the field? He takes plays off an doesn't try his hardest. He's done nothing to disprove this considering he hasn't seen any action in the preseason and hasn't practiced in a month.

 

I put in the Moss part because he brought it up, and because there was an interview playing on ESPN all day. Moss hasn't played one snap and we will see how it works out with him. However in listening to that interview he is doing what the pats require of him to be there......that's all I'm saying.

 

In regards to Corey Dillon... the was a malcontent because of the situation he was in -- he could have gone anywhere to get out of Cincinnati and he'd have changed his ways.

 

Correct, he just wanted to win. I never said it would have worked anywhere else...he just happen to come to the pats and it worked.

 

 

Kilo's spot on. Don't point to the examples that benefit your argument here and then turn a blind eye to one that doesn't.

 

Please provide an example of me doing this, because i haven't

 

 

By the way... I read "if they don't change they get cut" at some point in this thread. Quick question... why is Harrison not getting cut, then? Oh yeah, because he's played in a few Pro Bowls.

 

As I've stated before (many times) BB will always do what's in the best interest of the team. Cutting the captain, leader of the defense, ect...is not in the best interest of the team. The pats don't cut someone for making a mistake, they cut them if it's in the best interest of the team. If someone has a bad rep, and come here and make trouble, then they will get cut because that's what's best for the team.....not too hard an equation

 

 

By the way... Javon Walker hasn't had any contract disputes since he's been in Denver... it's because the Broncos are the greatest franchise ever and changed his ways. And Travis Henry hasn't fathered any illegitimate children in Colorado yet as a Bronco. Chalk another one up for Denver.

 

edit: By the way, Kilo... great avatar.

 

 

 

I have never said the pats think their better than everyone else, only Kilo has. Every team does things their own way, don't fault the pats because the media want to make them out to be something their not. There are plenty of examples where players have had problems with one team and gone to another and been fine.....there are examples all over the NFL, including the pats.

[See Red]

My post wasn't necessarily disputing you personally, mtbykr, just the general vibe that Patriots fans put off regarding their franchise, and neither was my Kilo's spot on comment. That was in regards to the fact that feel the Patriots could take any troubled player and make him right, and then disregard the fact that they've had one on their roster for quite a while.

[mtbykr]

My post wasn't necessarily disputing you personally' date=' mtbykr, just the general vibe that Patriots fans put off regarding their franchise, and neither was my Kilo's spot on comment. That was in regards to the fact that feel the Patriots could take any troubled player and make him right, and then disregard the fact that they've had one on their roster for quite a while.[/quote']

 

Fair enough, I run into those kinds all the time. I personally think it's the media spinning things that the casual fan just accepts as fact. I think most diehard fans know that the pats have their system, and they will put people into that system that they think is best (past baggage or not)....some work and some don't. I think the one approach that the pats have gotten to work, that some other teams haven't is the 'team over individual' attitude. However as we've seen some players feel that after they get their ring and exposure, they can do better elsewhere for more $$$$. The pats have their system and it works for them....and as a fan I'm happy;)