Ray Allen is a Celtic.

[rician blast]

Q:

And therein lies my problem. We're rebuilding. How can you pass up the 5th pick in arguably one of the deepest drafts in a long' date=' long time for ANYONE except for Shawn Marion?[/quote']

 

A: By being the Celtics.

[Mr Crunchy]

i smell a survival mode in place over there now

danny is gone with another 50 loss season,so is the coach

so they move on ray allen.

we already had ray allen in paul pierce

rondo isnt a starting point guard

im not sure hes an nba player

[Beckett95]

well now we may be the only team in history to have 2 guys with the same name, just backwards.

 

Allan Ray, Ray Allen

[MANNYHOF24]

i smell a survival mode in place over there now

danny is gone with another 50 loss season,so is the coach

so they move on ray allen.

we already had ray allen in paul pierce

rondo isnt a starting point guard

im not sure hes an nba player

 

Did you watch any of the games last season?

[BoSox34]

well now we may be the only team in history to have 2 guys with the same name, just backwards.

 

Allan Ray, Ray Allen

 

Don't forget Tony Allen...some announcers are gonna have some tough times when they have to come to Boston.

 

EDIT...Clifford Ray too.

[YanksHater213]

mr crunchy are you joking about rondo?

 

if the kid finds a jumpshot hes going to be an allstar no doubt about it. amazing defender, inch for inch and pound for pound hes a great rebounder, good insincts, good playmaker, this kid is the real deal...

[TheKilo]

It's a good trade if it's part of something else. As it stands the right now the team is maybe a 45 win team, but if they're in the "go-for-it" now mode they'll probably have to trade Jefferson. The Celtics need to get better defensively if they want to really contend for a title. If they get Garnett, they have a small window with a team that has the potential to be very, very good.

 

I think this is just part of something much bigger from Ainge. If he stand pat here it's not a very good trade though.

[Beckett95]

they need to keep jefferson, because hes right now the only person they have to build around. maybe rondo or green. But i think Danny's going to get greedy and do whatever he can to get a guy like Garnett here. we'll see.

[LUGOforMVP]

I cant believe that they traded Delonte West, a favorite player of mine

 

Lugo... settle down, not every Celtics player is trash. Pierce, Jefferson, Green are players any team would like to have come over

He's offering Scalabrine and Ratliff. Trash.

[Beckett95]

what about trading Ratliff, Gomes, Telfair and maybe some picks for Camby?

 

nuggets would have to throw someone in to make the contracts work

 

he led the NBA in BPG, and was 4th in RPG. also scored aroudn 10 a game, but is more of a defender

[rician blast]

Unless they add additional pieces I could see this being like the Walker/Pierce Celts...

 

you shoot, I shoot, you shoot, I shoot

[Beckett95]

Ratliff, Gomes, Telfair, Ray and a future pick for Camby and Blake (would have to be some type of sign and trade deal)

 

Rondo/Blake/Pruit

Allen/Allen

Pierce/Green

Al/Powe/Davis

Camby/Perk

 

I think he'd be a perfect fit to compliment the guys we have now. The best defensive big man in the league and he can still average about 10 pts a game. He is 33, but still has averaged 12 boards and 3+ blocks a game. That would give us a good defender down low, along with Rondo who is a great defender, and Tony Allen of the the bench who can defend the wings. Blake is also a great pass first PG, who played with 2 all-stars in AI and Carmelo last year. So playing with Pierce and Allen wouldnt be much of a difference.

[NateGrey]

.. Moronic trade by a moronic G.M ..

[TheKilo]

they need to keep jefferson' date=' because hes right now the only person they have to build around. maybe rondo or green. But i think Danny's going to get greedy and do whatever he can to get a guy like Garnett here. we'll see.[/quote']

 

I don't think they'll keep Jefferson. Trading the #5 pick is a clear indication Ainge is in a go-for-it-now mode. If he stops here it's not a good move.

[BoSox34]

He threw out the first pitch at the sox game tonight.

[rician blast]

He threw out the first pitch at the sox game tonight.

 

Was he limping?

Did he use a walker?

 

Of acquiring the soon to be 33 yr old with 11 seasons under his belt, Ainge says:

 

"This is something we've been talking about for a year, to try to take advantage of this window of opportunity with a player that we think is one of the best Celtics that's ever put on a uniform in Paul Pierce," Ainge said. "We want maximize his career. We want to surround him with more veterans and more talent. And that's what we've been trying to accomplish"

 

By "maximizing Pierce's career" does he mean a first or second round playoff defeat is acceptable?

[schillingouttheks]

If they get Garnett, they have a legitimate chance to win the championship. Unfortunately, they'd have to give up Al if they even want to be talked to, so they're in a pickle. A move like this goes against everything Ainge has done so far. Look...I'm all for making a run at it, but not at the expense of having another shithole for a team 5 years from now.

[TheKilo]

If they get Garnett' date=' they have a legitimate chance to win the championship. Unfortunately, they'd have to give up Al if they even want to be talked to, so they're in a pickle. A move like this goes against everything Ainge has done so far. Look...I'm all for making a run at it, but not at the expense of having another shithole for a team 5 years from now.[/quote']

 

So you want to be mediocre for 3 or 4? Because that's what is going to happen with the team that is currently constructed.

[schillingouttheks]

So you want to be mediocre for 3 or 4? Because that's what is going to happen with the team that is currently constructed.

 

I never wanted them to trade for Allen. I was pissed when I heard about it. They should have kept the 5th pick in this draft...it was deep as hell.

[TheKilo]

I never wanted them to trade for Allen. I was pissed when I heard about it. They should have kept the 5th pick in this draft...it was deep as hell.

 

True, but if they were going to go younger then they should have done it and traded Pierce.

 

They need to commit to one plan or another. If they are going for it now, they need to trade for Garnett and that means moving Jefferson.

[schillingouttheks]

True, but if they were going to go younger then they should have done it and traded Pierce.

 

They need to commit to one plan or another. If they are going for it now, they need to trade for Garnett and that means moving Jefferson.

 

I should have made myself clear when I responded to your other post. I too would have traded Pierce, kept the pick, and built around Jefferson. Unfortunately, the direction in which Ainge is taking this team suggests that they're going to trade Jefferson for O'Neal or Garnett...which I'm not happy about. He f***ed up when he made the trade; by doing so, he screwed this team's future.

[YanksHater213]

Unfortunately, SOTK, a draft being deep as hell doesnt matter if you got the #5 pick where the players 3-12 are pretty equal and only have that one draft pick.

 

If you have 3 first round picks, thats where depth in a draft can do you wonders.

[schillingouttheks]

I would have rather taken my chances on catching a diamond in the rough than putting together a team that will stay together at MOST 3 years.

 

It is what it is. It's just not what I would have done. Ainge now has to go for Garnett and put together a team that has a legitimate chance to go very far and compete with the West, or the trade's a failure no matter what.

[YanksHater213]

Garnett, Pierce and Allen? I don't see how people think that could be successful.

 

How the hell are those three going to share the ball? It'd be practically impossible.

 

People are acting like we're f***ed. We're not. Allen and Pierce can give you a good core for 5-6 more years, provided they both stay. Jefferson, Allen, Rondo, and Green are all really young and have great potential. You have great role players in Perk, Powe, Gomes, hopefully Pruitt and Davis.

 

This team can be good for a while, I don't see why people are so ready and willing to forge Jefferson, Green, and Rondo for a guy like Garnett. Jefferson is already a very very good player and can be an all star this year if he gets the touches, so whats the need for Garnett? Garnetts best asset is his offensive versatility, well that isn't needed because we already have plenty of shooters, and in the post is our weakness. Jeffersons post game is more advanced than Garnetts.

 

I'll take Jefferson, Rondo, and Green over Garnett.

[schillingouttheks]

The Glen Davis pick made me happy.

 

Whatevs. I'm gunna just sit back and enjoy the ride (hopefully I'll enjoy it). I have faith in YanksHater's analysis.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Garnett, Pierce and Allen? I don't see how people think that could be successful.

 

How the hell are those three going to share the ball? It'd be practically impossible.

 

People are acting like we're f***ed. We're not. Allen and Pierce can give you a good core for 5-6 more years, provided they both stay. Jefferson, Allen, Rondo, and Green are all really young and have great potential. You have great role players in Perk, Powe, Gomes, hopefully Pruitt and Davis.

 

This team can be good for a while, I don't see why people are so ready and willing to forge Jefferson, Green, and Rondo for a guy like Garnett. Jefferson is already a very very good player and can be an all star this year if he gets the touches, so whats the need for Garnett? Garnetts best asset is his offensive versatility, well that isn't needed because we already have plenty of shooters, and in the post is our weakness. Jeffersons post game is more advanced than Garnetts.

 

I'll take Jefferson, Rondo, and Green over Garnett.

 

I agree with this for the most part, except what you said about Garnett's best asset. His best asset is nearly everything. He's a do everything player. Plays good D, can score in bunches, is a monster on the boards, makes his teammates better (how do you think Wally Sczerbiak got that big of a contract?). He's a special talent. But I don't think you guys necessarily NEED him. Jefferson's great and you don't have any trading chips, outside of him, to be able to team them up and make a SCARY frontcourt. But, I agree other than that, you guys are in a good situation and will make the playoffs. And Jefferson will make the All-Star team, unless he gets hurt. Allen and Pierce will be a scoring dynamo. A tandem that can get 50 combined on any given night is a nice thing to have. And don't think I don't know Ray Allen's shooting abilities. He lit my boys up for 47 two years ago in that classic (even though we lost) 152-149 2OT game. And he had 12 points going into the 4th.

[YanksHater213]

I agree with this for the most part' date=' except what you said about Garnett's best asset. His best asset is nearly everything. He's a do everything player. Plays good D, can score in bunches, is a monster on the boards, makes his teammates better (how do you think Wally Sczerbiak got that big of a contract?). He's a special talent. But I don't think you guys necessarily NEED him. Jefferson's great and you don't have any trading chips, outside of him, to be able to team them up and make a SCARY frontcourt. But, I agree other than that, you guys are in a good situation and will make the playoffs. And Jefferson will make the All-Star team, unless he gets hurt. Allen and Pierce will be a scoring dynamo. A tandem that can get 50 combined on any given night is a nice thing to have. And don't think I don't know Ray Allen's shooting abilities. He lit my boys up for 47 two years ago in that classic (even though we lost) 152-149 2OT game. And he had 12 points going into the 4th.[/quote']

 

Well I wasn't talking in the grad scheme of things. Obviously the guy can do it all, but I was talking in the great scheme of things that Al presents and what KG presents. KGs inside/outside game is phenominal for a big man and probably barring Nowitzki is one of the best if not the best in the league.

 

I just think at this point I'd take the 22 year old player with dominant post moves and let him pick up some defense as he goes, with the outside shooters we have now.

[Mr Crunchy]

I just think at this point I'd take the 22 year old player with dominant post moves and let him pick up some defense as he goes, with the outside shooters we have now.

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and if youre rebuilding this is the obvious move

if youre feeling the pressure to have success now??

 

well then you sacrifice tommorows possible glory for 45 wins in the east and a playoff birth

ray allen??

he isnt saving us from mediocrity

[YanksHater213]

What makes you guys think this team can't be good?

 

Walker and Pierce led us to the finals with a bunch of role players.

 

Allen and Pierce are a much better and more efficient tandem right now than Walker and Pierce were. We have a low post presence right now in Jefferson that we didn't have back then.

 

People aren't giving Allen enough credit.

 

This team can be very good.

[rician blast]

True, but if they were going to go younger then they should have done it and traded Pierce.

 

 

My thoughts exactly.