Rotation

[example1]

Why not go to a 6 man rotation when Lester is deemed good enough to pitch?

 

They have a little lead right now and their pitching options don't necessarily get worse by adding a 6th man. I really think they have the luxary of having the staff to do it. What are the plusses and minuses?

 

An obvious minus would be that your best pitchers don't pitch as often, but an obvious plus could be that your top 5 would be stronger down the stretch... it is kind of thinking outside the box but it seems like a reasonable idea.

[BSN07]

You want to tell Beckett he has to pitch every 6 days with the way hes pitching? It would F the hole roataion up, and now there just getting Matsuzaka used ot 5 days, don't throw a monkey wrench into the mix by making it 6 days, its just a bad choice. Lester is healthy, but has not pitched more then 75 pitches this yr and just got cleared to pitch more. Let the guy build his legs under him, 75 pitches will get you maybe 5 innings in the Majors, he would eat the BP up, so as of right now hes more of a liability to the Sox and ther BP then he is helping them. Give him time, he will be back eventually.

[jacksonianmarch]

you go to a 6 man when the rotation is loaded with old guys who cannot make their turn or when the entire rotation is slumping. Beckett, Wake, and DMats are pitching very well right now and even Tavarez is pitching his ass off. Going to a 6 man with this team would gum up the works.

 

You can also do it if your entire rotation is very similar and you need to eliminate someone, like the yankees did in 04 with Mussina, Brown, El Duque, Vazquez, Loaiza, and Lieber. All similar, and Loaiza lost out. You guys have a topheavy rotation. That means adding a day in between starts to guys who you know are going to stay on the hill. Bad idea.

[seabeachfred]

I remember the Yankee dilemma Jacko now that you mention it. I want no part of any six man rotation, but I am anxious for Jon Lester to get his legs and stamina under him, if indeed, he still needs to do that, and get him into our rotation as soon as feasible. Why? We could then send Taverez back as middle reliever and patch up a weakness there. Timlin looks like he might have reached the end of the road unless there is a drastic turnaround. One thing is certain, the staff that can stay healthy during the dog days of summer might just end up on top in all the divisions.

[BoSox21]

I don't know about putting Tavarez in the pen. He just isn't as effective there as he is as a starter. I realize he's still keeping the seat warm for Lester but I don't know what you do with Tavarez. Maybe make Snyder the middle reliever and keep Tavarez as the long relief guy/spot starter.

[SCM33]

I don't know about putting Tavarez in the pen. He just isn't as effective there as he is as a starter. I realize he's still keeping the seat warm for Lester but I don't know what you do with Tavarez. Maybe make Snyder the middle reliever and keep Tavarez as the long relief guy/spot starter.

 

 

You do realize his pretty successful career has almost all came out of the bullpen correct? Of the 712 games hes pitched in during his career...only 97 of them have been starts, and I also believe his career WP as a starter is around .500, and you also know that his ERA as a SP is around 5 right?

 

 

Pitching Role

 

I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA

+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+

Starter 97 97 0 35 32 0 2 0 527.2 5.03

Relief 615 0 157 46 31 22 0 0 719.1 3.89

 

added splits

[NomahsHammSammich]

Why not go to a 6 man rotation when Lester is deemed good enough to pitch?

 

They have a little lead right now and their pitching options don't necessarily get worse by adding a 6th man. I really think they have the luxary of having the staff to do it. What are the plusses and minuses?

 

An obvious minus would be that your best pitchers don't pitch as often, but an obvious plus could be that your top 5 would be stronger down the stretch... it is kind of thinking outside the box but it seems like a reasonable idea.

 

Looks like we won;t need to have a 6 man rotation...Schill will most likely be headed to the DL.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Next years rotation?

 

1. Beckett

2. Carlos Zambrano( I think we have had our eyes on him and this is why we did not even attempt to resign Schilling to extension).

3. Dice K

4. Lester

5. Wakefield

 

There are only 1 or two teams who could outbid us anyhow...actually 1..lol..and they probably will.

[adam123]

Ok why all of a sudden evry one is on the big Z he's a hot head no way he will thrive in Boston . I want one man and his name is SANTANA.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Ok why all of a sudden evry one is on the big Z he's a hot head no way he will thrive in Boston . I want one man and his name is SANTANA.

 

Im sure you would but its not happening

[Rodney Harrison]

Im sure you would but its not happening

Who knows? Carl Pohlad is one hell of a cheap *******.

[seabeachfred]

Rod, Pohlad may be a cheap ******* but he is smart enough to know his team is doomed if he lets Santana get away. All the Morneaus and Hunters couldn't save that franchise. You do not let a pitcher with that talent walk away. Besides, I hear they are close to financing a new ballpark for the team which would be a big money-maker, and that ought to give the guy enough cash to keep some of his better players. As for Hunter, the talk is Texas.

[Rodney Harrison]

Rod' date=' Pohlad may be a cheap ******* but he is smart enough to know his team is doomed if he lets Santana get away. All the Morneaus and Hunters couldn't save that franchise. You do not let a pitcher with that talent walk away. Besides, I hear they are close to financing a new ballpark for the team which would be a big money-maker, and that ought to give the guy enough cash to keep some of his better players. As for Hunter, the talk is Texas.[/quote']

Pohlad volunteered his team for contraction. That says a lot about him.

[schillingouttheks]

Ok why all of a sudden evry one is on the big Z he's a hot head no way he will thrive in Boston . I want one man and his name is SANTANA.

 

... that's because Big Z is a FA after this season. Santana is a FA after NEXT season.

 

Besides, wouldn't it be nice to have both?

 

Nothing is beyond the Sox. If they wanted to spend enough they could make Santana happy. They have the financial muscles. I hope to God they actually flex them and spend like they f***ing can. Until there's a cap, I don't care how much they pay.

[BoSox21]

You do realize his pretty successful career has almost all came out of the bullpen correct? Of the 712 games hes pitched in during his career...only 97 of them have been starts, and I also believe his career WP as a starter is around .500, and you also know that his ERA as a SP is around 5 right?

 

 

Pitching Role

 

I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA

+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+

Starter 97 97 0 35 32 0 2 0 527.2 5.03

Relief 615 0 157 46 31 22 0 0 719.1 3.89

 

added splits

 

 

im judging him based on his history in Boston. he was getting run out of town along with Rudy Seanez when he was in the pen and at the end of last season and this season, he's been pretty much money in the rotation

[Rdsxmbnt]

Tavarez has a 3.94 ERA in his last 8 starts (since the beg. of May) so I think hes earned a spot for the forseeable future

[Cocos Disciples]

With Schilling's possible injury, he could need a DL stint. However with the June 21st offday, the Sox won't need a starter in his place until June 26th, with Beckett and Tavarez both being pushed up from 5 days rest to 4. Since the 26th would be a Tavarez start, Lester would fit in perfectly if their rotation spots continue to be aligned. This is all of course if Schill is seriously hurt.

[inkman]

I would appreciate any onfo as to why Wake was given the start instead of Beckett or Dice-K. Thanks.

[BSN07]

Beckett pitched and inning in the AS game. And Matsuzaka started the last game before the AS break.

[inkman]

Beckett pitched and inning in the AS game. And Matsuzaka started the last game before the AS break.

 

I was telling my buddy that but he didn't buy it. :dunno:

[BoSox21]

there's nothing to "buy", it's fact. Beckett pitched 2 days ago and Dice pitched 4 days ago. The rest of them have been well-rested and if they're on the bench much longer, risk being over rested for their next start

[example1]

I would appreciate any onfo as to why Wake was given the start instead of Beckett or Dice-K. Thanks.

 

Also, Francona apparently doesn't care about the rotation, in terms of the #1 being the best pitcher and #5 being the worst. He's never seemed to care too much about that.