April 23 vs. Toronto

[kyahbean]

WTF' date=' how was that an earned run for wake? An error throw let caused him to score, how is that an earned run?[/quote']

 

Because he put the guy on base. Once a guy is put on base by a pitcher, if they score it's an earned run for that pitcher.

[TedWilliams101]

NVM. On Gameday, they originally had it as an earned run, but just changed it...

 

And Kyahbean, thats not true, as this wasn't an earned run...

The rule is that if an error causes a run to score, then it isn't earned. I think an error with 2 outs automatically makes any runs after that (in the rest of the inning) unearned.

[kyahbean]

At least that's what I thought....correct me if I'm wrong, I suppose.

[jacksonianmarch]

Because he put the guy on base. Once a guy is put on base by a pitcher' date=' if they score it's an earned run for that pitcher.[/quote']

 

not true.

[kyahbean]

not true.

 

Hm. How does it actually work, then? :dunno:

[TedWilliams101]

check my last post, i explained it.

[redsoxrules]

here we go again playing from behind

[jacksonianmarch]

Hm. How does it actually work' date=' then? :dunno:[/quote']

 

you judge every base that a player advances based upon the error and then consider if they would have scored after the fact. Wells was on 2nd and went to steal 3rd. If the error was made, but Thomas hit a homerun the next pitch, then both runs would be earned as without the error, Wells would have been on 3rd for the homerun. But since, without the error, Wells would have been stranded at 3rd, the run is unearned.

[kyahbean]

check my last post' date=' i explained it.[/quote']

 

You edited that one!

 

Well, that makes more sense. It's definitely more fair. Thanks.

[jacksonianmarch]

NVM. On Gameday, they originally had it as an earned run, but just changed it...

 

And Kyahbean, thats not true, as this wasn't an earned run...

The rule is that if an error causes a run to score, then it isn't earned. I think an error with 2 outs automatically makes any runs after that (in the rest of the inning) unearned.

 

not true either. Depends on the error. A throwing error is a difference of a base. An error where a runner would have been out would make every subsequent run unearned. For example.

 

1. There are 2 outs and Lugo hits a chopper to SS that gets bobbled. Lugo reaches. Youks hits a homerun the next pitch. BOTH runs are unearned.

 

2. There are 2 outs, Lugo singles. He goes to steal second and Zaun throws the ball into CF. Lugo goes to 3rd. Youkilis hits a homerun. BOTH runs are EARNED.

 

The difference is that without the error in the first instance the inning is over. In the second instance, Lugo is on 2nd.

 

 

Now for an advanced instance.

 

Lugo is on 1st, 1 out. He goes to steal second and the catcher throws it into CF. Lugo moves to 3rd. Youkilis hits a sac fly and then Papi K's. That run is UNEARNED because without the error, Lugo is on 2nd when youkilis hits the flyball and doesnt score. Then Papi K's and the inning would have ended without a run scoring.

[Cocos Disciples]

Aww Mikey Lowell!

[jacksonianmarch]

PERFECT EXAMPLE HERE. IF RIOS HITS A HOMERUN, ALL RUNS ARE UNEARNED.

[jacksonianmarch]

btw, ARod just hit another homer.

[redsoxrules]

WTF is up with lowell defense

[TedWilliams101]

Jacksonian, nice explanation. Thats exactly it. Mike Lowell already has 6 errors...

[Cocos Disciples]

btw' date=' ARod just hit another homer.[/quote']

 

He needs to go back to Mars.

[jacksonianmarch]

He needs to go back to Mars.

 

I know this is a sox thread, but I am seriously in disbelief. It was a f***in laser.

[Cocos Disciples]

Nice catch by Manny, Wake gets out of it. He hasn't been as bad as he looked with the 2 errors.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacksonian' date=' nice explanation. Thats exactly it. Mike Lowell already has 6 errors...[/quote']

 

that is how I learn best. In my realm they are called vignettes. But you can just call it learning by example.

[Cocos Disciples]

I know this is a sox thread' date=' but I am seriously in disbelief. It was a f***in laser.[/quote']

 

Is this 13? So two more to capture the April record?

[jacksonianmarch]

Is this 13? So two more to capture the April record?

 

yes. He was out in front of a breaking ball and hit a laser off his front foot into the 4th or 5th row in LF.

[kyahbean]

not true either. Depends on the error. A throwing error is a difference of a base. An error where a runner would have been out would make every subsequent run unearned. For example.

 

1. There are 2 outs and Lugo hits a chopper to SS that gets bobbled. Lugo reaches. Youks hits a homerun the next pitch. BOTH runs are unearned.

 

2. There are 2 outs, Lugo singles. He goes to steal second and Zaun throws the ball into CF. Lugo goes to 3rd. Youkilis hits a homerun. BOTH runs are EARNED.

 

The difference is that without the error in the first instance the inning is over. In the second instance, Lugo is on 2nd.

 

 

Now for an advanced instance.

 

Lugo is on 1st, 1 out. He goes to steal second and the catcher throws it into CF. Lugo moves to 3rd. Youkilis hits a sac fly and then Papi K's. That run is UNEARNED because without the error, Lugo is on 2nd when youkilis hits the flyball and doesnt score. Then Papi K's and the inning would have ended without a run scoring.

 

I had to read that a few times and then consult Wikipedia to get it...but I think I understand now. That was a pretty good explanation! Thanks!

[TedWilliams101]

Please throw him a fastball down the middle. Otherwise, Wily Mo Srikeout.

[kyahbean]

There's a really good explanation of that kind of stuff here if anyone is interested.

[TedWilliams101]

Hmm. I wonder how that happened...

[Rdsxmbnt]

Hmm. I wonder how that happened...

 

I bet you enjoyed that to, pfff

[TedWilliams101]

haha. No, I want him to hit it out. But it just goes to show how bad WMP is. This is his second straight start. I don't expect him to get a single hit. He's that bad.

[kyahbean]

Those glasses the first baseman is wearing look like the glasses I wear on the motorcycle. Just noticing....

[jacksonianmarch]

hahahahaha. Igawa just threw a ball that hit the astroturf in front of the dirt cutout and it bounced into the stands.

[a700hitter]

Hit man Mirabelli.