Oden or Durant?

[Manny Goes Boom]

They're both good and getting better but neither of them are Tim Duncan and thats who the last great big man was. Duncan has average 22 pts 12 rb and over 2 blcks per game for his career. Neither of them will have those numbers. Amare can score but doesn't play the D that Duncan does. Howard can board like Duncan but can't score as much. When Oden comes into the league he is going to already be one of the top defensive C in the league immediately. Oden is the best all around big man since Duncan.

 

Both Amare and Howard are big men in the mold of KG because they are more athletic than a traditional big man. Theres a lot to be said for that but IMO they aren't as good of all around players as Duncan.

 

Well Amare averaged (2 years ago when he was 100%) 26 and 9 and in those playoffs he averaged 37 and 14, and you wanna take a guess at who was guarding him? Your own Tim Duncan. And this year Amares at 20 and 9. So yeah, I DEF would take Amare, then Howard, over Duncan. Hell I wouldn't even take Duncan, he's a damn Spur. f*** the Spurs.

 

And let's hear your logic behind the fact that neither of them will have those numbers when Amare is damn near that now, and Dwight Howards barely old enough to drink legally.

[Mr Crunchy]

amare and phoenix in general remind me of the old denver clubs with kiki vandeweigh alex english and other assorted scoring machines

sure

they'll hang 120 on you but they dont defend worth of s***

 

i like amare,he maybe the most athletic big man ive ever seen

i love the phoenix game as its the best hoop to watch on the planet but this is sort of like the celts philly wars back in the day

the celts would win every series in the playoffs while chamberlain would average 50/25 a nite

amare will get his but the san antone game,built around the best all around center in basketball usually prevails

 

duncan does a lot of different things very well

 

also

based in history

both these cant miss superstars could possibly fall flat on their asses in the nba

who knows whats gonna happen when these guys get some serious money in their hands

coke,dirty girls,fast cars,the espn commercials and other distractions have yet to get to them

 

ive read where these kids are grounded,straight,good teamates and hard workers

i cant speak for durant but oden carries a 3.7? into his 2nd semester at osu

not too shabby for a guy on the road quite a bit

[BoSox34]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2766880

[Mr Crunchy]

unless rick barnes and texas have a 10,000,000.00 a year athletic vouture(sp) for durant then i think the guy is going pro..

im sure hes enjoying college life

hes got the babes hes probably got a couple of bucks in his pocket and a decent vehicle

its a nice life if you can score 20 a nite in big time hoop

 

he can get that ut degree when he retires or even in summer school

he cant get the money he will leave on the table if he gets hurt and his career is cooked

[SuperManny]

Well Amare averaged (2 years ago when he was 100%) 26 and 9 and in those playoffs he averaged 37 and 14, and you wanna take a guess at who was guarding him? Your own Tim Duncan. And this year Amares at 20 and 9. So yeah, I DEF would take Amare, then Howard, over Duncan. Hell I wouldn't even take Duncan, he's a damn Spur. f*** the Spurs.

 

And let's hear your logic behind the fact that neither of them will have those numbers when Amare is damn near that now, and Dwight Howards barely old enough to drink legally.

 

 

I said before that Amare could score like Duncan but not rebound or defend as well. Duncan had a season where he was 25.5 ppg and 13 rpg. Amare has never even cracked 10 rpg in a season. Duncan has never averaged less than 2 blocks a game for a season while Amare has never once averaged 2 blocks a game. Also, Duncans lowest apg is double Amare's highest apg for a season. Duncan has also been on the all NBA 1st or 2nd defensive team every year he's been in the league and is a two time MVP. The fact that you say you wouldn't even take Duncan shows that your incredibly biased anyways so theres no point talking about this anymore.

 

BTW Duncan was averaging 21/12 his first year, he didn't blossum into averaging a double double.

[BoSox34]

http://www.statesman.com/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/media/SICover_021907_KevinDurant.jpg

 

Weirdest cover I've ever seen...look at #23.

[Mr Crunchy]

duncan came out as a senior

these other men outta high school

4 years of acc action is a lot more experience than 4 yrs of high school

 

duncan wouldve given the celts a title

rick pitino knew this

the celtics are still paying the price for pitinos ineptness and our bad lottery luck

[Jon_Papelboner]

You change the e to an i and you have the chief god in norse mythology. I'll take oden.

[Manny Goes Boom]

They're both good and getting better but neither of them are Tim Duncan and thats who the last great big man was. Duncan has average 22 pts 12 rb and over 2 blcks per game for his career. Neither of them will have those numbers. Amare can score but doesn't play the D that Duncan does. Howard can board like Duncan but can't score as much. When Oden comes into the league he is going to already be one of the top defensive C in the league immediately. Oden is the best all around big man since Duncan.

 

Both Amare and Howard are big men in the mold of KG because they are more athletic than a traditional big man. Theres a lot to be said for that but IMO they aren't as good of all around players as Duncan.

 

******** you never said that.

 

And dude, think about this Amare came out of HIGH SCHOOL. And he only played 2 years of basketball before he went pro. 2 YEARS, EVER. Duncan's also 30 graduated as a senior from Wake (as Crunchy said), and Amare's 24 (and came into the NBA with 2 years of basketball experience at ANY level under his belt). 6 years is ALOT, but if you think about it Amare's been doing what he does with FREAK athleticism, up until this year (which he is rapidly regaining). Imagine when he gets some elite basketball smarts. Oh, and what about those 23 rebounds Amare pulled down against Duncan? Sign of things to come my friend.

 

Yes, I am incredibly baised, I f***ing hate the Spurs SO much, I probably hate them more than the Yankees. Their a bunch of cheap-shot, whining little bitches. Their riegn is over, they won a couple rings sure, but their not what they used to be.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Also, Amare plays with the best rebounder for his size (and one of the best in the league anyway) in Shawn Marion. He takes down 10-12 a night so you can't really compare their rebounding totals.

[See Red]

Duncan played four years in the ACC. It's impossible to overstate how much easier the transition from four year starter in the ACC to NBA is than High School to NBA.

[See Red]

Durant may not go pro following this season...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2766880

[Mr Crunchy]

remember that duncan is from the virgin islands

i think he was a competetive swimmer before he picked up a basketball

he didnt start playing till he was a teenager

but again

4 yrs of acc hoop will get you as primed as possible to be a pro

[SuperManny]

******** you never said that.

 

I said that neither will ever have the overall stat line for a season that Duncan has. That is 25 ppg, 13 rpg, 3 bpg, 4 apg. I've already said that Amare can score like Duncan and that Howard can rebound like Duncan. Neither is anywhere close to those numbers though. Amare is averaging 1 apg and 1 bpg for his career. Duncan has been on the All NBA Defensive team every year he's been in the pros. Let me know when Amare has his first okay. I'm talking about all around game, Duncan is a better defensive player.

 

Oh and about Amare being with a good rebounder in Marion, Duncan had David Robinson (pretty good rebounder) for the start of his career and was still averaging 12 rpg from the start. Amare needs to hit double digits in average rpg before he's even in the discussion.

[See Red]

And in the Duncan/Oden "Once in a Decade" argument... I'd like to remind everyone of the forgotten big man -- perhaps because of who he was drafted with, Melo, D-Wade, and Lebron -- Chris Bosh. Averaging 23 and 11 up North. Also under 22.

 

If anything, these three suggest a change away from the types of big men we know and towards a smaller, more athletic big man.

[YanksHater213]

Durant may not go pro following this season...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2766880

 

Take that s*** with a grain of salt. Everyone says the right thing until time to decide comes and Durant will most likely decide. He truly doesn't know, and neither does anyone else. Until he's 100% sure of himself, he's going to say that he may not go pro because its the right thing to say.

 

For the record I'm pretty damn sure he will go pro. Guaranteed top 2 pick, no use in going back to college when you can get hurt or something. I hate it when people run and take the money right out of high school or after a year in college, but IMO, especially for a talent like Durant, it's something he needs to do.

[SuperManny]

And in the Duncan/Oden "Once in a Decade" argument... I'd like to remind everyone of the forgotten big man -- perhaps because of who he was drafted with, Melo, D-Wade, and Lebron -- Chris Bosh. Averaging 23 and 11 up North. Also under 22.

 

If anything, these three suggest a change away from the types of big men we know and towards a smaller, more athletic big man.

 

Absolutely, Bosh is a great player. Oden and Duncan remind me more of the old school C's while Bosh, Amare, Howard are more athletic and not quite as big. All are great players though and I would take any of them. :thumbsup:

 

Durant is a great player as well and as long as the C's get either of them I will be pumped.

[Mr Crunchy]

as i sit here in disgust wondering how im going to get back the last hour ive been watching the celts

it becomes more evident they need the defensive presence

however

after watching the savior play against a brutal wisconsin team in a 48-47 shitfight #1 vs#2 battle i wasnt overwhelmed with oden

its hard to shine in a game like that but he apppeared clumsy at times and not as polished as the texas stud

[jacksonianmarch]

If Durant, Green and Pierce are all on one court, how many balls do they get to play with? You need that presence in the middle. The C's are soft in the middle and get exploited something fierce.

 

Durant will be the impact player first, but Oden is a manchild. Oden has a Dwight Howard type ceiling, and I think he will reach it. If the C's have the shot, you take Oden, hands down. 7 foot athletic big men are hard to come by.

[Mr Crunchy]

agreed

what the celts need is the big man in the middle and an act of God to get him

the stars have been aligned against us since lenny bias got drafted 21 years ago june

now its time for them to align in our favor,we're due for some good luck

[SuperManny]

The reason why Durant has better numbers is because Texas doesn't have good players around him so he takes all the shots. Durant has 493 shot attempts this year with Oden having 207 attempts. Oden is just a much more efficient player because he only needs 9 shots a game to get his 15 points per game while Durant needs 18 shots to get his 25 points per game.

 

Also Oden is the big man that the C's have been missing for years and a great interior defender.

[Mr Crunchy]

texas plays in a higher scoring league than the big 10 as well

 

how many can you expect oden to get when his team scores 48 points??

anyways

from what ive seen so far(minimul by the way)

durant is the better offensive player,a better shooter and more polished physically

oden has good hands,very soft touch for a big man but his feet appear clumsy in transition

 

again

this is after watching each kid play only 3-4 times and oden is still shooting free throws lefty...im in agreement that the big man is the way to go here

[Mr Crunchy]

oden had a good afternoon

22pts 8rebounds and 4 blocks against the hated wolverines

 

look for this guy to have a monster tourney next week

[jacksonianmarch]

Oden is awesome. He will be a defensive force right off the bat and eventually get the offensive game going.

[ksushi]

I would not bet against ohio if Oden gets hot.

[Mr Crunchy]

17pts 19reb 4 blox and another 10 altered shots

and durant simply torched ok state down the stretch

 

every game i see these kids play they impress me more and more

too bad they dont get another couple of years in the college level to refine themselves but these kids are ready now

durant especially and im not sure if oden gets 15 shots a game he wont be a 20 10 guy in the nba next year either

god needs to shine on the green

theyve been on the business end of s*** luck for 20 + years now

[jacksonianmarch]

Oden is a MONSTER. Durant is a guy who may be great. Oden at his size, ability to shoot and quickness is the best NBA project. He will be a god.

[Mr Crunchy]

i hate to make predictions on 18-19 year old children but this guy here has the look of a franchise builder in the making

i hate to dismiss a guy who is scoring 30 with 10 boards a game as a freshman but odens impact for the celts will be bigger and much more needed than durants i feel

 

i also feel we get a stud if either come here

 

congrads to j thompson 3

1st big east crown for the hoyas since 89

[jacksonianmarch]

I just saw Durant get a rebound that he wasnt even close to. Go go gadget arms. He is dirty.

[TheKilo]

No points for Oden 13 mins in...Wisconsin can't get any offense going though.