Santana has a no-trade clause

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/columnists/charley_walters/16414292.htm

 

this could really hinder things if they decide to deal him. If Santana is comfortable in Minny and then wants to test the waters in 09, then the twins may not be able to reap anything for Santana.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/columnists/charley_walters/16414292.htm

 

this could really hinder things if they decide to deal him. If Santana is comfortable in Minny and then wants to test the waters in 09, then the twins may not be able to reap anything for Santana.

 

Has there been any talk of dealing him at all? I can't believe they actually would...

[BSN07]

No there hasn't been any talk of them dealing him. It's Jackson's hopes and dreams that he was going to be available, and that the NYY would send everything they just got int he Sheffield/Johnson trades to get Johan. So much for your grand plan Jackson, Johan will not be traded unless he wants to be, the only way other teams are going to beable to get him is paying threw the nose in FA. I have said all along I think he stays in MINNY if they remain competitive. There opening a new stadium soon, and will want all the ticket selling names they can get.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

It never ceases to amaze me when the Yankees have a glaring weakness, the type of deals Yankee fans come up with. Like seriously, it's one of my favorite parts of baseball.

 

"You know...the Yanks could reaaaaaaly use a better 1B...what if we sent Melky Cabrera and some cash to the Cardinals for Albert Pujols and a player to be named later?"

 

"Damn...I'd really love a better pitching staff in the Bronx...I'm thinking we could package Proctor with Nick Green and cash and spin them off to Toronto to get Halladay and Vernon Wells. You know, cause once we have Wells, we have a plethora of outfielders and can use Melky as bait to get Liriano..."

 

Granted, none of those quotes are exact...but I challenge ANY of you to think of all the Yankee fans that you know, and tell me that its absolutley out of the realm of possibilities that you'd hear those words from at least one of them. I know overvaluing your players and coming up with fantasy trade scenarios isn't exclusive to Yankee fans...but I really think they take it to the extreme.

[BSN07]

Jackson has been foaming at the mouth since the first big unit trade rumors came out. Talking about all the prospects they where going to get back for unit( the two big ones they didnt get, nippert and O something cant think of it) and saying how the NYY where best suited now with the plethra of pitching prospects to turn around at the trade deadline or next off season and send them packing for MINNY for Johan. They have a better shot at D-Train( I would rather they get none of them:) ) But any chances of anyone let alone the NYY getting Johan is remote now, its all in his hands.

 

BTW nice clause in the contract, makes him seem like he wants to stay in MINNY and protected himself from being dealt to just any organization.

[jacksonianmarch]

There have been two articles talking about the twins being VERY upset with the Zito deal. And then you see the no trade article above. You do the math.

 

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/SPORTS0101/701060336/1007/SPORTS

 

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/columnists/charley_walters/16387625.htm

[Gom]

It's true that Yankee fans have a sense of entitlement, it kinda comes with 26 World Championships.

 

It's also true that some Yankee fans believe that the lower revenue teams are a defacto farm system for us. It is one of the main reasons I come here rather than post there.

 

However, I have found that the same exists for all teams. I have heard some laughers here as well. It's just not as bad.

 

Keep in mind why free agents come to New York, be it the Mets or Yankees, especially the Yankees. In no particular order, a player's manager, literally guaranteed post season opportunity, a big paycheck, marketing opportunites, being on the largest stage in the baseball world...why wouldn't you want to play there?

 

I mean, come on...regardless of your team loyalties, would you rather play for the Cowboys or the Cardinals? The Lakers or the Grizzlies?

 

It must be worrisome for Sox fans as the Yankees are accumulating pieces that could be traded for a superstar. We just need to wait and see.

 

However, a package headlines by Sanchez and/or Hughes would be tough for any team to pass up as far as prospects go. The Yankees are in a position they haven't been in for a very long time: Strong pitching prospects.

 

P.S. Having a no trade clause helps the bigger market teams in getting Santana, if it ever comes to that. For example, he would reject a trade to Arizona, but accept New York or Boston. Wake up fellas.

[a700hitter]

It must be worrisome for Sox fans as the Yankees are accumulating pieces that could be traded for a superstar. We just need to wait and see.

 

However, a package headlines by Sanchez and/or Hughes would be tough for any team to pass up as far as prospects go. The Yankees are in a position they haven't been in for a very long time: Strong pitching prospects.

I am terrified.

[example1]

It must be worrisome for Sox fans as the Yankees are accumulating pieces that could be traded for a superstar. We just need to wait and see.

 

However, a package headlines by Sanchez and/or Hughes would be tough for any team to pass up as far as prospects go. The Yankees are in a position they haven't been in for a very long time: Strong pitching prospects.

 

I suppose Humberto Sanchez would get a team more than, say, Jonathan Papelbon (prospect last year) or Jon Lester (prospect last year), right? I think the sox are a few steps ahead of you there, with all their 26 year old starters.

[Gom]

I suppose Humberto Sanchez would get a team more than' date=' say, Jonathan Papelbon (prospect last year) or Jon Lester (prospect last year), right? I think the sox are a few steps ahead of you there, with all their 26 year old starters.[/quote']

 

No, they wouldn't. But Hughes would get more than either one right now, or last year in the offseason.

 

Irrespective of your opinions on who's better, the Yankees have closed the gap between them and the Red Sox in top tier farm system depth. In fact, the Yankees have a deeper farm system at this point [albeit mainly because all of the prospects the Sox had they brought up last year].

 

The fact is that the Yankees don't have to throw insane money at teams, they can combine them with players now. It's not a question of who's got better prospects, it's just that the teams seem to be imitating each other now. The Sox are spending more, the Yankees are building up their farm system. The team philosophies are evolving, as they should.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees have anywhere from the #3-5 farm system in all of baseball and the deepest pitching farm to boot (bottom 3rd in offensive players). The sox sit in the #11 range across the board with one of the weaker pitching farms you will find. The Yankees not only closed the gap, but grabbed hold and jumped past them.

 

Plus if you want to consider prospects in the majors, consider Wang as the #2 CY guy and Cano as the All star 2b, and Melky vs Paps as all star and the rest being okay as rookies and I think you are rather even in the pros.

 

The sox system has no pitching ready for the bigs without rushing anyone. The predicament arises as well with the lack of a major league bullpen to any degree and you have the vortex that created Hansen and MDC's collapse last yr. Hansen should have gone to A ball out of college in 05. He should have been in AA last yr and should be in AAA this yr (like a certain other closer in the yankee system, JB Cox). MDC went from a poor single A showing in 04 to a major league debut in 05. MDC should be setting up Hansen in Pawtucket this yr. Instead, Hansen is likely to be closing for a short while in AAA and will eventually be called up when the pile of dogshit they acquired for the pen shows its true stuff.

 

Gom, after years of the yankees just completely raping their farm, they are doing things right. We have rushed exactly one player in the past few yrs (melky in 05), and he ended up getting set straight last yr. We have had some of the best pitching talent in our minors, and with all of our pitching woes, we easily could have rushed them. Last season, when Chacon sucked and Wright was nothing more than a 4 inning pitcher, we could easily have called on Hughes or Clippard. When Farns went down or Sturtze got hurt, we easily could have rushed Cox to the majors. But we didnt. We filled the need from what we had an kept the kids way from the majors. It has been to their benefit. We essentially have gone into every season with all spots filled and if they blew up, we'd go outside the org. Well now, the kids are ready. The time has come, and we didnt rush them. Now we have a spot for them too.

 

For the sox, the pen is incomplete. Pineiro is a horrible choice for closer. Donnelly is declining, Romero is awful, Timlin exploded last yr, and Tavares out of the pen was useless. MDC might be ready to step up, Hansen is not. What happens if May comes and Donnelly's and JC's era total 2 touchdowns with the extra points? They rush Cox and Bard up to the majors or bring up the perpetually screwed up Hansen. This will continue to vortex of ruining players. The only guy they got right was Papelbon. He dominated at all levels and made the jump from AA-AAA-MLB in a year. Lester had misleading stats and should have never been called up last yr for his own good (1.46 WHIP and greater than a half a walk per inning in AAA). Granted, the cancer would have been found regardless, but this kid's development needed fine tuning. Something that rushing him through a lackluster AAA season was not gonna get him.

 

Overall Gom, the sox are creating a perpetual void for their relief prospects to fall into. Fill the pen with s***. Be surprised when the s*** stinks. Rush kids past valuable developmental levels. Be surprised when they turn to s***. Draft more rookie relievers. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Finally, the yankees did something right with highly regarded prospects. Hopefully it works. But it wont be on the ownership if they dont.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, they wouldn't. But Hughes would get more than either one right now, or last year in the offseason.

 

Irrespective of your opinions on who's better, the Yankees have closed the gap between them and the Red Sox in top tier farm system depth. In fact, the Yankees have a deeper farm system at this point [albeit mainly because all of the prospects the Sox had they brought up last year].

 

The fact is that the Yankees don't have to throw insane money at teams, they can combine them with players now. It's not a question of who's got better prospects, it's just that the teams seem to be imitating each other now. The Sox are spending more, the Yankees are building up their farm system. The team philosophies are evolving, as they should.

 

Also, as far as pitchers and where people ranked them, Papelbon was never ranked very highly by the scouting orgs while Lester was. I would assume BA and the like would have to disagree with their previous posting, but who's counting.

 

The fact is, John Sickles created a new yankees top 15. Sanchez fit in as the #3, behind Hughes and Tabata. Whelan, Ohlendorf, Gonzalez, and Jackson were 11-15 in the deep yankee farm. All are grouped into the 2007 ETA category.