Yankees trying for Clemens, earlier start to season?

[jacksonianmarch]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/12/31/yankees.johnson/

 

The Clemens to NY rumors are starting to heat up. Obviously, it is media speculation at this point, but from the sounds of it, Roger hates RJ. moving RJ makes things a world better for him to potentially return to NY. And while most people have him pencilled into Houston, sources close to him say he misses the drama of NY and would like a return trip. The attempt by the yankees is to try and lure Roger to the Bronx for an earlier start than June 22nd, even if they need to offer a contract in excess of 20 million. There are TONS of Clemens articles today, will post them all (and some are from the boston papers and all signs point to NY).

[jacksonianmarch]

well, a lot of the same stuff. Nothing revolutionary.

[CrespoBlows]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/12/31/yankees.johnson/

 

The Clemens to NY rumors are starting to heat up. Obviously, it is media speculation at this point, but from the sounds of it, Roger hates RJ. moving RJ makes things a world better for him to potentially return to NY. And while most people have him pencilled into Houston, sources close to him say he misses the drama of NY and would like a return trip. The attempt by the yankees is to try and lure Roger to the Bronx for an earlier start than June 22nd, even if they need to offer a contract in excess of 20 million. There are TONS of Clemens articles today, will post them all (and some are from the boston papers and all signs point to NY).

 

They all seem to saying that the Yankees will TRY for Clemens. No word on whether he's going to actually go there.

[jacksonianmarch]

They all seem to saying that the Yankees will TRY for Clemens. No word on whether he's going to actually go there.

 

If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated, then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.

 

Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does. Boston has nobody he played with at all left on that roster. NY has Jeter, Posada, Mariano and then his "favorite manager" in Torre. Boston has none of his friends on that team aside from a kid he inspired so long ago in Schilling. NY has his best friend in Pettitte. NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further. I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario. Who knows what he is thinking and he could all of a sudden turn around and go to Texas for all we know. But the stars are aligning for a Bronx return. Lets see if he takes it.

[a700hitter]

If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated, then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.

 

Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does. Boston has nobody he played with at all left on that roster. NY has Jeter, Posada, Mariano and then his "favorite manager" in Torre. Boston has none of his friends on that team aside from a kid he inspired so long ago in Schilling. NY has his best friend in Pettitte. NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further. I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario. Who knows what he is thinking and he could all of a sudden turn around and go to Texas for all we know. But the stars are aligning for a Bronx return. Lets see if he takes it.

Here come your Dice-K type delusions again., I guess we will be treated to a whole host of unsubstantiated theories about Clemens coming to NY. I'm on record, and I will not bore you with long-winded theories and rationalizations. If he doesn't go to Houston, he will come to Boston. As for there not being a spot in the Red Sox rotation, I am still laughing. Wakefield will get a non-stop, first class ticket to the pen as the long man faster than you can believe.

[jacksonianmarch]

just hold your ears, sit back and pray my friend. Face it, if old clem is truly considering leaving houston, he'll be in pinstripes.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1460000/images/_1462930_roger300.jpg

 

get a good look baby! LOL.

[a700hitter]

just hold your ears, sit back and pray my friend. Face it, if old clem is truly considering leaving houston, he'll be in pinstripes.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1460000/images/_1462930_roger300.jpg

 

get a good look baby! LOL.

If you want to know where Clemens will go look for the best financial opportunity. Everything else is just empty rationalization.

 

BTW: Just wanted to remind you that the Dice-man did not goe back to the Lions. You were pretty sure about that being the result of the FO ******** offer of $7-8 million/year.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you want to know where Clemens will go look for the best financial opportunity. Everything else is just empty rationalization.

 

BTW: Just wanted to remind you that the Dice-man did not goe back to the Lions. You were pretty sure about that being the result of the FO ******** offer of $7-8 million/year.

 

Dice K didnt have any other options in the majors. Big Clem is a FA. He'll be bought by NY if he opens up the bidding outside of Houston. I guarantee it!

[CrespoBlows]

If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated' date=' then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.[/quote']

 

Houston isn't going to be beaten out for Clemens. Why would the snub Clemens? So they can face a fanbase revolt? He's going back to Houston. He lives twenty minutes from the stadium, and they are going to pay him fairly.

 

Do you seriously think that Williams was brought in to replace Clemens? That's probably the most asinine thing I've ever read.

 

Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does.

 

NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further.

 

New York has two glaring holes at the back-end of their rotation, yet they're the stronger team? Amazing.

 

NY has his best friend in Pettitte.

 

What are they, gay? He's probably going to go to where his family is. That's in Houston.

 

I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario.

 

It's blind fandom to think that Houston is going to lowball him.

[jacksonianmarch]

the yankees have one glaring hole in their rotation if RJ goes. If you are gonna lock down one spot on the top with Matsuzaka, you have to give us a spot on our bottom of the rotation with Igawa. Our 5 spot is gonna be wide open. Pavano, Karstens and Rasner can fight it out until Clemens comes to claim the spot.

[CrespoBlows]

the yankees have one glaring hole in their rotation if RJ goes. If you are gonna lock down one spot on the top with Matsuzaka' date=' you have to give us a spot on our bottom of the rotation with Igawa. Our 5 spot is gonna be wide open. Pavano, Karstens and Rasner can fight it out until Clemens comes to claim the spot.[/quote']

 

Why? Matsuzaka is twice the pitcher Igawa is. Igawa can't break a pane of glass with his fastball, plus his extreme flyball tendencies are going to cripple him in the AL East. If he keeps his ERA in the low 5.00's then he'll be a success, but that's not what you want out of your 4th starter.

[jacksonianmarch]

You want durability out of your 4th starter. Igawa averaged 200IP for the past 6 seasons. Plus, the fact that he led the league in K's 3 times doesnt get any credit here, cmon now. If you are gonna throw your hat in the ring thinking Matsuzaka is an ace, then you gotta give us the theory that Igawa can at least be a 4.

[a700hitter]

Dice K didnt have any other options in the majors.

You didn't grasp that no matter how many times I reminded you about it. Was it you or Gom that engaged in all the scenarios of Boras challenging the posting system' date=' buying the contract from Seibu, etc., etc. I am pretty sure it was you. You didn't listen to sound reasoning then and you are not listening now.

Big Clem is a FA. He'll be bought by NY if he opens up the bidding outside of Houston. I guarantee it!

You are missing the bigger picture. Boston and NY and probably even Houston can offer similar types of one year or pro-rated one year packages. They were within pennies of each other last year. He went with Houston, because it gave him the money plus his comfort. And he will go that way again if Houston throws in. If Houston opts out, Boston and the Yankees will offer essentially the same one-year package. The decision will be made by other factors. The allure of the enormous additional marketing possibilities in Boston will tilt the scales in Boston's favor. I've explained this for the last time. I'm not going to be a broken record like you were on Dice-K. When he makes his decision, one of us will rub this post in the others face.

[jacksonianmarch]

Handshake deal then? I think someone should be somebody's bitch in their sig line for a month if Clem chooses an AL East team. If he goes back to houston, none of us win. Deal?

[a700hitter]

Handshake deal then? I think someone should be somebody's bitch in their sig line for a month if Clem chooses an AL East team. If he goes back to houston' date=' none of us win. Deal?[/quote']Deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nice, you're gonna be my bitch 700. All in good fun.

[CrespoBlows]

You want durability out of your 4th starter. Igawa averaged 200IP for the past 6 seasons. Plus' date=' the fact that he led the league in K's 3 times doesnt get any credit here, cmon now. If you are gonna throw your hat in the ring thinking Matsuzaka is an ace, then you gotta give us the theory that Igawa can at least be a 4.[/quote']

 

Matsuzaka throws five pitches for strikes, all of them are considered to be plus pitches. Igawa just has that curveball. In Japan, hitters are more inclined to chase those pitches, over here, they'll be inclined to lay off of it. He's going to have some serious trouble in MLB.

[a700hitter]

Nice' date=' you're gonna be my bitch 700. All in good fun.[/quote']More Jacksonian Delusions. That will be your username when Clemens takes the Fenway mound to pitch to the visiting team.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

More Jacksonian Delusions. That will be your username when Clemens takes the Fenway mound to pitch to the visiting team.

 

I'm not sure who Clemens will sign with, but I think that there is at least a good chance he will come to the Yankees. What makes you so sure that it isn't even a possibility?

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure who Clemens will sign with' date=' but I think that there is at least a good chance he will come to the Yankees. What makes you so sure that it isn't even a possibility?[/quote']Of course it is a possibility, but I think it is much more likely that he finishes with the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01012007/sports/yankees/yankees_push_for_rocket_yankees_andrew_marchand.htm

 

Yankees push for Rocket. Looks like a full court press on the Rocket starting NOW! Go get him Yankees, yahooooza. Happy Frickin New Year all.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Of course it is a possibility' date=' but I think it is much more likely that he finishes with the Red Sox.[/quote']

 

...is that based on anything or is that just your opinion?

[riverside sluggers]

Matsuzaka throws five pitches for strikes' date=' all of them are considered to be plus pitches. Igawa just has that curveball. In Japan, hitters are more inclined to chase those pitches, over here, they'll be inclined to lay off of it. He's going to have some serious trouble in MLB.[/quote']

 

Igawa's fastball also reaches the 87 - 90 range, and has a tendency to keep it above the belt. That's going do wonders in the AL East, I'll be surprised if his HR's allowed is below 30

[jacksonianmarch]

Igawa's fastball also reaches the 87 - 90 range' date=' and has a tendency to keep it above the belt. That's going do wonders in the AL East, I'll be surprised if his HR's allowed is below 30[/quote']

 

He somehow K's a ton of people though. He must be sneaky fast. BTW, you missed another plus pitch. Hs changeup is actually his best pitch. Plus change, plus curve, plus command and control, average to below average fastball. He really sounds like the Japanese Barry Zito. Then again, I wasnt an advocate of Zito to the Bronx, so whatever.

[a700hitter]

...is that based on anything or is that just your opinion?

It's my opinion in light of the facts. My reasoning is in several of my posts.

[jacksonianmarch]

your "facts" continue to include the ideal that he will somehow have more marketing opps in Boston than in NY. Boston has just as many stars now as the yankees do, so it isnt like he'll be the lone star on a team of nobodies. Then you factor in how NY is the mecca for advertising and marketing and your theory on that account holds no water. If you feel that his want to "complete the circle" is the reason for your ideal, then I cannot argue with you there, but will respectfully disagree. If you think that he'll get more lucrative marketing deals or ad deals in Boston, you are not basing that on sound judgement.

[a700hitter]

your "facts" continue to include the ideal that he will somehow have more marketing opps in Boston than in NY. Boston has just as many stars now as the yankees do' date=' so it isnt like he'll be the lone star on a team of nobodies. Then you factor in how NY is the mecca for advertising and marketing and your theory on that account holds no water. If you feel that his want to "complete the circle" is the reason for your ideal, then I cannot argue with you there, but will respectfully disagree. If you think that he'll get more lucrative marketing deals or ad deals in Boston, you are not basing that on sound judgement.[/quote']You just don't get it. You have no idea the icon status that Clemens had in Boston and would have again if he returned for a farewell. He never approached anything close to that status in NY. It has nothing to do with the number stars on each team.

[ORS]

your "facts" continue to include the ideal that he will somehow have more marketing opps in Boston than in NY. Boston has just as many stars now as the yankees do' date=' so it isnt like he'll be the lone star on a team of nobodies. Then you factor in how NY is the mecca for advertising and marketing and your theory on that account holds no water. If you feel that his want to "complete the circle" is the reason for your ideal, then I cannot argue with you there, but will respectfully disagree. If you think that he'll get more lucrative marketing deals or ad deals in Boston, you are not basing that on sound judgement.[/quote']

Why? Him returning to Boston is an epic storyline. That will get huge amounts of national and international media attention, meaning huge national and international marketing possibilities. A return to NY just won't generate that kind of drama/hype. That's no knock on NY or the NY market, but the history just isn't there. Clemens was never a beloved son in NY. When he left, despite the faux-retirement, it was on much better terms than when he left Boston. All other things being equal, NY is the better place to market yourself. But they aren't equal, and this story will trancend the region, so it doesn't even come close, IMO.

[jacksonianmarch]

The operative term is "reached". That time is passed my friend. Coming back to NY will open up many more opportunities for him, and I'll tell you what. If he leads NY back to the WS after 6 yrs of debauchery and debachle, then he'll be a big time hero. Boston no longer has the whole lovable losers, or heartbreak city title attached to it now that it won 2 yrs back. If the sox had not won a WS, then I'd follow you a bit. But now, the sox dont have that draw of breaking the curse.

 

Plus, I think the bloom came off the rose when he was forced out well before his time. And btw, if he wants to go into the hall as a yankee, he'll need to put in another yr.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I have a funny feeling Clemens will play for the team that writes the biggest check.