Three-way Manny deal? (per Dan Patrick)

[Moose]

JD may luv Lugo' date=' but I heard you luv the cock.[/quote']

 

changing the subject. Good tactic f***face.

[Cityofchampions33]

JD may luv Lugo' date=' but I heard you luv the cock.[/quote']

 

and the award for the most immature, unneccesary, kind of gay, and totally ban-worthy comemnt goes too....

[JD Drew Luvs Julio Lugo]

JD may luv Lugo' date=' but I heard you luv the cock.[/quote']

 

 

Oh my god. Ouch. I am so hurt. Forgive me for talking about baseball and questioning Manny's D. I didn't realize it meant so much to you, considering you can't wait for him to be traded.

[jacksonianmarch]

and the award for the most immature' date=' unneccesary, kind of gay, and totally ban-worthy comemnt goes too....[/quote']

 

You havent been posting recently have you? These guys came over here to destroy seabeach. I am sick of it. They came here with the express interest to start a fight with a poster who they knew from another forum. That is the very essence of the term trolling and I am sick of it.

[redsoxrules]

Oh my god. Ouch. I am so hurt. Forgive me for talking about baseball and questioning Manny's D. I didn't realize it meant so much to you' date=' considering you can't wait for him to be traded.[/quote']

 

manny's offense makes up for it and more

[JD Drew Luvs Julio Lugo]

You havent been posting recently have you? These guys came over here to destroy seabeach. I am sick of it. They came here with the express interest to start a fight with a poster who they knew from another forum. That is the very essence of the term trolling and I am sick of it.

 

I replied to two posts that Fred made and I didn't make any below the belt comments about him. Since, I have been posting about baseball. If I were trolling, all I would be doing is picking fights with everybody.

[Cityofchampions33]

You havent been posting recently have you? These guys came over here to destroy seabeach. I am sick of it. They came here with the express interest to start a fight with a poster who they knew from another forum. That is the very essence of the term trolling and I am sick of it.

 

umm, idk, id like to say ive had 4 or more posts today so far, and maybe 20+ yesterday, oh and maybe the weeks before that, and soem time before that, you know the time before you came here?

Whats your point? Let seabeach fend for himself, or if your gunna retaliate, use facts and wreck them in a sports argument. Its not like I like these new guys eitehr, but just get used to them, if theyre really all that annoying theyll get banned

[CalvnHobs6]

The topic says "Three-way Manny deal?" Let's keep it to that.

[Cityofchampions33]

The topic says "Three-way Manny deal?" Let's keep it to that.

 

calvnhobs to the rescue

[Linda]

again are you out of your mind , manny is way more valuable , compare their stats ? sure here it is , jones is a career 267 hitter , career 345OBP , sluging 505 , ops 850

 

and heres manny career 314 hitter , 411OBP, 600 sluging ,1011 OPS

 

its not even close manny is way more valuable

 

If Andruw played a corner outfield spot, and was the same age, and played for the same salary, you would have a case. But since neither of those is true, Andruw > Manny.

[CalvnHobs6]

calvnhobs to the rescue

 

Haha, I figured I'd show back up after about 3 months of relative inactivity.

[redsoxrules]

If Andruw played a corner outfield spot' date=' and was the same age, and played for the same salary, you would have a case. But since neither of those is true, Andruw > Manny.[/quote']

 

OMG its not close , the stats says it all for f*** sakes MANNY> andruw

 

id take manny over andrew any day of the week and im sure almost everyone agrees with me

[Cityofchampions33]

What are you talking about? The reason manny ahs a higher salary is because HE is more valuable.

[BoSox34]

The topic says "Three-way Manny deal?" Let's keep it to that.

 

Agreed.

 

I say keep him unless we can get an extraordinary deal such as the idea with Jones, Loney, and Broxton. The point is that it is unlikely that we can ever get equal value for Manny, taking into consideration what he means for this team. Breaking up one of the greatest 3-4 combos in the history of baseball to acquire Brad Penny and a prospect who might be good or might not would be very disappointing and it would be the wrong road to take, in my opinion.

[Linda]

What are you talking about? The reason manny ahs a higher salary is because HE is more valuable.

 

I said MORE VALUABLE. Look, if you were to trade for either of them, wouldn't the guy with the higher salary be less desirable? Just because the $ox paid him a ton doesn't make Manny better.

[Beckett95]

A Jones is more valuable in a trade than Manny

[BoSox34]

A. Jones=More Valuable in a trade.

Manny=More Valuable to this team.

[Cityofchampions33]

Idk, Im pretty sure a 9 year streak of 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs makes him better. Are you seriosusly telling me if you had a team you'd rather want Andruw Jones, who is going to command a good portion of money this off-season anyway, over a proven veteran for sure HOFer?

[BoSox34]

I would rather have Manny on this team, but if I was starting a MLB franchise, Manny would not be the player that I would build around. His hustle and defense leaves a lot to be desired and constant headaches follow him everywhere he goes. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, his hitting outweighs the negative impact and he forms an impossible 3-4 combo with Ortiz.

[Linda]

Yes. I also think Andruw Jones is a future HOFer.

[Linda]

A Jones is more valuable in a trade than Manny

 

Thank you. A Red Sox fan who "gets it."

[Beckett95]

Manny=35 years old, injury problems, awful fielder with no range or speed and doesnt like boston

 

Jones=30 years old, best defensive CF in baseball, power hitter with 45 HR+ potential, durable

[BoSox34]

Manny=35 years old, injury problems, awful fielder with no range or speed and doesnt like boston

 

Jones=30 years old, best defensive CF in baseball, power hitter with 45 HR+ potential, durable

 

Exactly. I don't know how anyone could say that Andruw Jones is less valuable in a trade in this situation. Not saying he puts up better offensive numbers or that he's a better fit for this team, but there's no way that Jones is less valuable in a trade.

[MANNYHOF24]

Manny=35 years old, injury problems, awful fielder with no range or speed and doesnt like boston

 

Jones=30 years old, best defensive CF in baseball, power hitter with 45 HR+ potential, durable

 

Manny isnt an awful fielder, he is a good fielder at Fenway Park and he has an acurate throwing arm. Manny still has 3 good years left in the tank. Manny pure hitting wise is the best RH in the AL.

[MANNYHOF24]

Exactly. I don't know how anyone could say that Andruw Jones is less valuable in a trade in this situation. Not saying he puts up better offensive numbers or that he's a better fit for this team' date=' but there's no way that Jones is less valuable in a trade.[/quote']

 

How can you say Andruw Jones is a better fit for this team... WE ARE A BETTER TEAM with Manny in Left, Coco/Willy MO in center and Drew in Right, then Drew in Right Andruw in Center and Willy Mo in left plain and simple.

[Cityofchampions33]

Manny= consistent numbers, best RH hitter this side of Pujols, decent fielder, 40/100 threat every year, clutch

- Headache form time to time, occasionaldefensive lapse

 

Jones= good power threat, fantastic defense

- .262 career hitter, .345 OBP, consistent 100 K seasons, has stopped stealing bases

 

In terms of a team that had the fewest errors in the league, you are all forgetting how much Manny has improved defesnively, and don't forget all those assists he's getting from the OF. The speed factor comes out in the wash, as Jones has gone under 10 SBs the past few seasons, same goes for salary, as Joens expires after the season. The only clear edge Joens has is defense, and I think I'll take Manny with hitting

[Linda]

In terms of a team that had the fewest errors in the league' date=' you are all forgetting how much Manny has improved defesnively, and don't forget all those assists he's getting from the OF. The speed factor comes out in the wash, as Jones has gone under 10 SBs the past few seasons, same goes for salary, as Joens expires after the season. The only clear edge Joens has is defense, and I think I'll take Manny with hitting[/quote']

He gets assists because people run on him.

 

Why not use Jones' most recent years for his numbers, rather than career stats?

[MANNYHOF24]

Manny= consistent numbers, best RH hitter this side of Pujols, decent fielder, 40/100 threat every year, clutch

- Headache form time to time, occasionaldefensive lapse

 

Jones= good power threat, fantastic defense

- .262 career hitter, .345 OBP, consistent 100 K seasons, has stopped stealing bases

 

In terms of a team that had the fewest errors in the league, you are all forgetting how much Manny has improved defesnively, and don't forget all those assists he's getting from the OF. The speed factor comes out in the wash, as Jones has gone under 10 SBs the past few seasons, same goes for salary, as Joens expires after the season. The only clear edge Joens has is defense, and I think I'll take Manny with hitting

 

Some one who understands how great Manny is... Its hard for people who dont watch the sox from day to day to understand what Manny is... Probally the Best RH in Redsox history

[MANNYHOF24]

He gets assists because people run on him.

 

Why not use Jones' most recent years for his numbers, rather than career stats?

 

2006 OBP SLG AVG OPS

Manny- .439 .619 .321 1.058

 

Jones- 363 .531 .262 .894

 

Manny is way better offensivly

[Linda]

Manny= consistent numbers, best RH hitter this side of Pujols, decent fielder, 40/100 threat every year, clutch

- Headache form time to time, occasionaldefensive lapse

 

Jones= good power threat, fantastic defense

- .262 career hitter, .345 OBP, consistent 100 K seasons, has stopped stealing bases

 

In terms of a team that had the fewest errors in the league, you are all forgetting how much Manny has improved defesnively, and don't forget all those assists he's getting from the OF. The speed factor comes out in the wash, as Jones has gone under 10 SBs the past few seasons, same goes for salary, as Joens expires after the season. The only clear edge Joens has is defense, and I think I'll take Manny with hitting

But you also think that "gap" between their value is worth Loney and Broxton?

 

Originally Posted by Cityofchampions33

yeah, if we can get (Andruw) Jones, Loney and Broxton, Id say thats about as close as we're gunna get to fair value.