Nixon or Drew

[a700hitter]

Only slightly better than Trot? Take a look again at the last 3 year comparison between Drew & Trot. It weighs much in Drew's favor.

 

And no Im not for having a Trot/Wily Mo platoon for 2 more years

He's not $8 million better per year. He too is injury prone and he's only one year younger than Nixon. The primary point of my post wasn't the RF situation nor was it an argument in favor of Nixon. The point of my post was to agree with Mr. Crunchy that it is baffling to give Drew this kind of contract when we let Damon walk for a mere $1 million more per season.

[riverside sluggers]

Again... the Red Sox didnt know in terms of money the "other team" was offering Boras & Damon. Before it was made official, Boras called Lucchino and said "Ok we have a 5 year offer on the table wish is what we're looking for, what do you got"?

[a700hitter]

Again... the Red Sox didnt know in terms of money the "other team" was offering Boras & Damon. Before it was made official' date=' Boras called Lucchino and said "Ok we have a [b']5 year[/b] offer on the table wish is what we're looking for, what do you got"?

If Luchinno had said 4 for $52 million we would have had him. Was there any reason not to throw the best offer on the table at that point. They probably would have gotten him for 4/48 or 50. Remaining mute when confronted with that information was very poor strategy.

[Bosoxwest]

Wait, I feel like I'm catching some inference here that Damon is a better player than Drew, which is not true. He might be a little "dirt doggier", but Damon's only edge is speed, and arguably health (although he played 3 games more than Drew last year and is older). If you remove Damon's performance in Game 7 of the ALCS, which granted is tough for us to do, we are not even having this conversation. Drew should be paid more.

 

If I am missing something, my apologies.

[Fried Neckbones]

LA Times reporting that the Angels are offering Drew "5 or 6 years for about $14 million a year".

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angels18nov18,1,4887915.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-angels&ctrack=1&cset=true

 

Too much time. :thumbdown

[a700hitter]

Wait, I feel like I'm catching some inference here that Damon is a better player than Drew, which is not true. He might be a little "dirt doggier", but Damon's only edge is speed, and arguably health (although he played 3 games more than Drew last year and is older). If you remove Damon's performance in Game 7 of the ALCS, which granted is tough for us to do, we are not even having this conversation. Drew should be paid more.

 

If I am missing something, my apologies.

Damon is a more valuable commodity than Drew. As a leadoff hitter with good speed, he's a basestealing threat and a catalyst for the offense. He sees a lot of pitches which helps wear down the opposing pitcher and he hits into very few DPs which keeps rallies alive. He has great first to third and second to home speed and he is till a very capable basestealer. There are few leadoff hitters that bring to the table everything that Damon brings. Drew is not a lead off hitter and as a middle of the lineup hitter he is not even in the top echelon. He a second tier middle of the lineup hitter. Combine that with the fact that he has never played more than 146 games in a season, and I would much rather have Damon for the same money.

[jacksonianmarch]

Damon >>>>>>> Drew. Damon had a better average, more HRs, and 23 more SB's. Drew had more RBI's and a higher OPS. The speed, plus the position in the order and on the field, and his durability. Damon has averaged 151 games played over his last 11 seasons. Drew has averaged 118 games played in his 8 full seasons in the bigs. That is a huge discrepancy.

[jacksonianmarch]

also the age difference is almost exactly 2 yrs as Drew will be 31 in 2 days and Damon just turned 33.

[SuperManny]

Damon >>>>>>> Drew. Damon had a better average' date=' more HRs, and 23 more SB's. Drew had more RBI's and a higher OPS. The speed, plus the position in the order and on the field, and his durability. Damon has averaged 151 games played over his last 11 seasons. Drew has averaged 118 games played in his 8 full seasons in the bigs. That is a huge discrepancy.[/quote']

 

Drew plays CF too you know. Several of the teams looking at him want him to play CF. Drew's past injuries are the only thing that doesn't favor him over Damon. Damon is faster but the Sox don't steal enough to make it valuable anyways.

[a700hitter]

      AB  R H  1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS  BA  OBP  SLG 
Nixon 83 16 27 20 5   0  2 15  13 16 0   0 .325 .412 .457 
Drew  98 14 25 18 4   1  2 11  16 21 1   1 .255 .356 .377

 

I am not drawing any conclusions, but here is a snap shot not including tonight's games.

[TheKilo]

      AB  R H  1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS  BA  OBP  SLG 
Nixon 83 16 27 20 5   0  2 15  13 16 0   0 .325 .412 .457 
Drew  98 14 25 18 4   1  2 11  16 21 1   1 .255 .356 .377

 

I am not drawing any conclusions, but here is a snap shot not including tonight's games.

 

Nixon does not play against lefthanded pitchers.

[a700hitter]

Nixon does not play against lefthanded pitchers.

We have WMP to face lefties.

 

 

Like I said, it's just a snapshot. We'll see how things progress throughout the year.

[TheKilo]

We have WMP to face lefties.

 

 

Like I said, it's just a snapshot. We'll see how things progress throughout the year.

 

WMP doesn't sniff the field, what games are you watching?

[riverside sluggers]

We have WMP to face lefties.

 

 

Like I said, it's just a snapshot. We'll see how things progress throughout the year.

 

A platoon was needed with Trot because its tough for him to make contact against lefties... Drew doesnt need a platoon mate

[CrespoBlows]

Nixon's BABIP is somewhere north of .380. In contrast, his career BABIP is .310.

 

His average is bound to fall. Which will take his OBP, OPS, and SLG% with it. He might OPS around .800 - .820, which is terrific value for $3 million.

 

Jacobs Field is also aiding Trot Nixon as well. The Jake tends to inflate LH Avg by 10%, and boosts HR rates by about that same figure.

 

Fenway tends to inflate average by about 8%, but deflate LH power by about 15%.

[SCM33]

I think the trend of Nixon over the past few years is no fluke. Guys who get older do not get better, unless you inject needles in the pooper.

 

Its nice to see him doing well, but lets wait till August....then lets compare.

 

Drew is younger, faster, and better overall. The injury factor is a wash between the two.

[a700hitter]

I think the trend of Nixon over the past few years is no fluke. Guys who get older do not get better, unless you inject needles in the pooper.

 

Its nice to see him doing well, but lets wait till August....then lets compare.

 

Drew is younger, faster, and better overall. The injury factor is a wash between the two.

33 vs. 31-- not a big age difference.

[SCM33]

After watching the last few seasons.....Nixon played older than his age indicated. I am sure you can agree with that.

 

PS. nice to talk to a familiar poster! haha

[CrespoBlows]

Drew is younger, faster, and better overall. The injury factor is a wash between the two.

 

This is irrelevant.

[SCM33]

Age is irrevelent when signing someone to a contract? Hmmmm news to me bro

 

I guess it would make sense to sign someone like Julio Franco to a 10 year deal since age is irrevelent.

[CrespoBlows]

Age is irrevelent when signing someone to a contract? Hmmmm news to me bro

 

Drew - 5 year contract

Nixon - 1 year contract

 

If Nixon got a five year deal, then you could make the argument about age, but Drew's deal will have one seasons at Nixon's age, three years above it.

 

Besides, we're talking about this year. Not the whole length of the deal.

 

 

I guess it would make sense to sign someone like Julio Franco to a 10 year deal since age is irrevelent.

 

Sure thing, Strawman.

[SCM33]

I was misunderstood, now I gotcha....

 

I still have a hard time looking at it from a one year pov. Even if Nixon performs up to par with Drew offensively, Id rather have Drew over the longhaul, not to mention the other aspects of his game he (Drew) brings.

 

Dirtdog no.....very good ballplayer? indeed.

[a700hitter]

If Nixon performs the same or better than Drew this year, we would not have needed to sign Drew for 5 years, and the FO would have had more of a budget to sign one of the premier FA CFs after this season-- Andruw Jones, Ichiro, Tori Hunter.

[SCM33]

And take over a spot that is being warmed up for Jacoby?

 

This is kinda what I see happening.

 

Jacoby is a wait and see. If he is below expectations, I think they go after a bat in the OF regardless of the money they are paying JD.

 

Clement comes off the books, Lowell comes off the books....thats almost 20 M to work with next season alone.

 

Regardless of how the two play out the year this year, I think we upgraded in RF from a seasons past, and the season before. Regardless of who is playing RF this year, we are in better shape this season than last, and i think thats all that really matters. Its not our money, we are paying assloads to watch the sox play...go out and get the best players available. I seriously doubt they do nothing with the money they gain in the offseason next year.

 

 

EDIT: you mention budget. the redsox dont have a budget. instead they have the second highest payroll in baseball, and i am more than willing to bet that doesnt change next year when those albatross contracts run out and we go after the best players available to us.

[TheKilo]

If Nixon performs the same or better than Drew this year' date=' we would not have needed to sign Drew for 5 years, and the FO would have had more of a budget to sign one of the premier FA CFs after this season-- Andruw Jones, Ichiro, Tori Hunter.[/quote']

 

Nixon doesn't play in as many games as Drew nor does he bat against lefties.

 

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

 

Should we look at the upgrade in defense Drew brings as well?

[ORS]

      AB  R H  1B 2B 3B HR RBI BB KO SB CS  BA  OBP  SLG 
Nixon 83 16 27 20 5   0  2 15  13 16 0   0 .325 .412 .457 
Drew  98 14 25 18 4   1  2 11  16 21 1   1 .255 .356 .377

 

I am not drawing any conclusions, but here is a snap shot not including tonight's games.

If I recall correctly Nixon started off '06 pretty hot too, but wore down quickly. And, Drew is in the middle of pretty bad slump. If it holds up for another month, I'll get concerned, but I'm not of the opinion it will. A couple of weeks of the ST and early season Drew will rebound those numbers quickly.

[Mr Crunchy]

nixon has outperformed drew over his entire career

drew has been a disappointment and now we own his ass for eternity

why theo gave this guy 5 years is a question for the ages

nobody was bidding on this guy and with the crop of outfield talent coming out next season we couldve bid on a legit superstar

 

i didnt get this in december and i dont get it now

the only thing keeping the media off his and the front office ass is our 1st place position

rest assured

if hes hitting .255 with coco type power in july there will be some screaming going on

[ORS]

How do you figure Nixon has outperformed Drew his whole career?

 

Throw away Trot's cup o' coffee in '96 and their starts are similar with September call-ups in '98, then full-time from '99 on. Here's the numbers:

 

[table]Player | GP | HR | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG

Nixon|1007|135|538|.279|.367|.477

Drew|990|164|520|.285|.392|.507[/table]

 

Drew's got the numbers, the better defense, and more speed. Please explain.

[MANNYHOF24]

Drew is a player at this point in his career. Drew is slumping, he will get out of it, because he is a very good hitter. Like ORS said, if he continues to slump into June then I will be very worried. I am a big Nixon guy, but you just could not go into another season with Trot as the starting RF. I am happy that Trot is playing well, but I do expect him to tail off as the season progesses. Drew is a streaky hitter, he has been his entire career, don't worry he will get hot soon. (I hope)

[ryanromine]

This is a hard one: I liked Nixon his gritty style of play reminded me of an old time ballplayer! Drew is a better hitter and can field well too. I think this is a good acquisition for the Sox. I wish Trot all the luck in the world and hope that he does well!