Yankees and Mussina closing in on 2 yr deal

[BudLight]

Add to that all of the cuban defectors have been represented by one agent who is now going to jail. There's a lot to be fixed in the acquisition of international free agents to level the playing field.

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Add to that all of the cuban defectors have been represented by one agent who is now going to jail. There's a lot to be fixed in the acquisition of international free agents to level the playing field.

 

not as bad as the crap that goes on in the NBA. I read today a number of stories regarding illicit or at least unethical activities regarding NBA agents...like agent Dan Fegan was sued for allegedly paying off AAU coaches to steer their top players his way when they reached the spotlight.

 

Fkn dirt bag...now I probably shouldn't say this but I will...he, or guys like him, likely couldn't be hockey agents or baseball agents because their clientele would have the intelligence to see that they are scum...so go after the lesser educated athletes and manipulate them to your own gain...yeah, that's the ticket.

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And all that matters to you is that we are #2. You think that puts us in a position from which we cannot complain. You would be right if we didn't acknowledge that we do have an advantage over the rest of the league, but we do. Nobody is claiming poverty for the Sox, that is another one of your fabrications.

 

The lost cause is you. You actually think the current system is A-Ok. Well, that shouldn't come as any surprise, only one group of people thinks that way, and, coincidentally, they all root for the team that benefits from it most. Who would have seen that happening?

When did I ever say the current system is A-Ok? NEVER. It has plenty of flaws. I just think it's ridiculous that YOU are complaining about it. TWENTY EIGHT other teams suffer more from it than you do. If they want to bitch about it, fine, I understand. You on the other hand, put a sock in it.

 

The Blue Jays? Hahah, keep throwing that in our faces. It does nothing for your argument. Of course, I don't expect it needs to in your mind, because your only intent there is to try and piss us off. Pathetic.

Well what's wrong with a Yankee fan wanting to piss of a Sox fan? You guys do it all the time. You guys condone it, and ride us when we get upset about it. When Sox Fan in Tex makes his ridiculous threads in an attempt to piss off Yankee fans, you guys take it as a joke and insult us. Same when 700 says "Thuhhhhhhhh Yankees Lose!" after every Yankee loss. So how dare you call him pathetic for mentioning that you guys failed to finish better than the TORONTO BLUE JAYS, when you jerkoffs constantly do similar things to us.

 

To add, and this is important, the biggest contributors to the revenue sharing pool are about to be exempt from it. NYY and NYM won't have to contribute while making new stadium payments, which could take decades, so the farce of "fairness" is about to take a big hit.

Aren't the Sox the second biggest contributor to the pool? Two of the three biggest contributors are about to be exempt, not all of the big contributors.

 

Let's not forget Lidle too, who helped offset the unwise acquisition of Pavano. That was a move made solely because of financial capability, and it was a difference maker.

Oh please, Lidle was not a big part of this trade at all. His contributions didn't make a "huge difference." Lets not get ridiculous.

 

When only one team has the financial muscle to absorb that type of move and no constraint on the usage of it, the system has failed.

Are you serious? Both the Red Sox and Mets could have absorbed that salary. Just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they were incapable.

 

Not even close to an accurate comparison and let's face the facts...if the Yankees "only" spent $120m, do you really think the Red Sox and other teams would spend what they do? Simply put, the Yankees spending NECESSITATES the Red Sox spending if they want to compete because they're in the same division. If the Red Sox were in a different division then the Yankees they would not need ot spend the way they do.

The same could also be said from the opposite perspective. The Yankees, for the most part, didn't spend as freely as they do now until about 2002. Up through 2001 we were relatively reasonable. Granted, a few big acquisitions here and there (Mussina, Clemens, etc.), but it wasnt until 2002 when we started going crazy. Ironically, 2002 was the same year the Sox went out and spent big dollars on the likes of Manny Ramirez.

 

The whole international talent market needs to be addressed IMO. It doesn't make any sense to have one segment of the talent market regulated by a draft while leaving another segment wide open to the influence of money. I think they need to get rid of the IFA market and create an International Draft. The rights to players from other professional leagues should be part of this draft. I'm all for the players' right to negotiate salary as a FA, but I think every player should have to go through the same process to earn that right.

It would be very difficult that way, but if it could get done it would be great. I disagree with the concept of the posting system. It's ridiculous for the reasons just listed. If an international player is a straight-up free agent, that's one thing, but something has to be done with this posting system. I understand that the Japanese teams want to get value for their stars before they bolt for the bigs the following year, but it needs to be modified somehow. Perhaps letting the player negotiate freely if he wants, and the Japanese team losing the player could receive the worth of 50% of his Major League contract or something along those lines. IDK what, but something needs to be done.

 

As for an INternational draft, like I said it would be extremely difficult. I could see it working if it were the type of draft that players would have to declare for, like in the NBA and NFL and whatnot, but it definately wouldnt work if it were similar to the MLB First-year player draft. I could go on firever about why it wouldnt work, but i'll spare you all.

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not as bad as the crap that goes on in the NBA. I read today a number of stories regarding illicit or at least unethical activities regarding NBA agents...like agent Dan Fegan was sued for allegedly paying off AAU coaches to steer their top players his way when they reached the spotlight.

 

Fkn dirt bag...now I probably shouldn't say this but I will...he, or guys like him, likely couldn't be hockey agents or baseball agents because their clientele would have the intelligence to see that they are scum...so go after the lesser educated athletes and manipulate them to your own gain...yeah, that's the ticket.

Lol

 

Yeah, probably should have stayed away from that statement. Can't say I completely disagree with you, but I can totally see that comment stirring up some controversy, for obvious reasons.

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;204487;]When did I ever say the current system is A-Ok? NEVER. It has plenty of flaws. I just think it's ridiculous that YOU are complaining about it. TWENTY EIGHT other teams suffer more from it than you do. If they want to bitch about it, fine, I understand. You on the other hand, put a sock in it.

Why is it ridiculous for me to want my team, and every other team, to be on a level playing field? It's not like I'm saying "The Yankees spend too much but we don't". I've been very consistent about how I ackowledge our role in it and think it's unjust. Learn to read, sock-boy.

 

Well what's wrong with a Yankee fan wanting to piss of a Sox fan? You guys do it all the time. You guys condone it, and ride us when we get upset about it. When Sox Fan in Tex makes his ridiculous threads in an attempt to piss off Yankee fans, you guys take it as a joke and insult us. Same when 700 says "Thuhhhhhhhh Yankees Lose!" after every Yankee loss. So how dare you call him pathetic for mentioning that you guys failed to finish better than the TORONTO BLUE JAYS, when you jerkoffs constantly do similar things to us.

Look at the url in case you were confused as to why these things happen. If you don't like the things said about the Yankees here, that's your fault. Stop expecting this place to be user friendly for Yankee fans who only want to come and bait Sox fans. It won't ever be that way. If you want to go to an unbiased site, I suggest Baseball-Fever.com. Otherwise, deal with the reality of this being a Sox site.

 

Aren't the Sox the second biggest contributor to the pool? Two of the three biggest contributors are about to be exempt, not all of the big contributors.

I don't know the specifics, but it wouldn't surprise me if the NYM surpassed the Sox in revenues with their new network and the much bigger NY market. Either way, does it really matter if the Mets were 2 or 3? The point remains, two of the big three are about to stop chipping in, so the system will only get worse.

 

Oh please, Lidle was not a big part of this trade at all. His contributions didn't make a "huge difference." Lets not get ridiculous.

 

Are you serious? Both the Red Sox and Mets could have absorbed that salary. Just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they were incapable.

You took that entirely too literally. Nobody has the resources of the Yankees, so while they may have been "able" to do it, it probably would have put them in an uncomfortable financial position, a position that didn't exist for the Yankees. Thus, they were the only ones with the financial muscle to make the deal. Put two and two together son.

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I love it when Yankee fans get pissed on this site because they feel attacked about their love for the Yankees. You're on a Red Sox board. Why not go onto a Detroit Tigers board or a Phillies board? It's not like talkSOX.com is the only baseball-related board on this here internet.

 

I think you yankee fans are somewhat masochistic.

[Optimist]

Edit: Never mind. You're all pretty foolish most of the time, if you ask me.

[example1]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the diversity and the veriance of opinion. It's just funny when I hear complaints about red sox fans going off on yankee fans.

[ORS]

Well, I missed whatever can of worms your original post may have opened, but it looks like you've opened another. Please explain our foolishness.

[Optimist]

It's foolish to argue the same thing many times, especially if you're just going to repeat the same facts, arguments, and (inevitably) insults. However, it seems like everyone is more than content to do that.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

haha yeah I feel like I'm reading old threads over.

[ARod2212]

How many threads have to turn into this crap? I want a new subforum about MLB policies, so we can keep all that useless crap there, and keep these forums about baseball, and what happens directly regarding baseball. I don't want to read pages and pages of why the current philosophy of baseball is wrong.

 

Speaking of Mike Mussina...

[ORS]

Who said you had to read it? Skim over it until you find some discussion about Mussina, who, as you can see, isn't that interesting right now.

 

Every thread goes off on tangents, and yes, many times they are repeated tangents. That's because they are obviously hot topics. I agree that it would be nice if we had separate threads for those topics and that people would keep the discussion there. However, that doesn't happen because idiots from either side introduce those topics in just about every thread. Crespo made a one line joke about payroll and Gom opened a can of worms in his rant. Where are people supposed to reply if they take issue?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

How bout those steroids?

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Lol

 

Yeah, probably should have stayed away from that statement. Can't say I completely disagree with you, but I can totally see that comment stirring up some controversy, for obvious reasons.

 

In a case like this I'd welcome the controversy because while my statement is one that many would like to ignore, it is totally accurate.

[ARod2212]

Who said you had to read it? Skim over it until you find some discussion about Mussina, who, as you can see, isn't that interesting right now.

 

Every thread goes off on tangents, and yes, many times they are repeated tangents. That's because they are obviously hot topics. I agree that it would be nice if we had separate threads for those topics and that people would keep the discussion there. However, that doesn't happen because idiots from either side introduce those topics in just about every thread. Crespo made a one line joke about payroll and Gom opened a can of worms in his rant. Where are people supposed to reply if they take issue?

I didn't read it, I did skim over it. But I've seen too many good forums get ruined by crap like that. Just copy the guy's post, and open a new thread and discuss the payroll stuff.

[ORS]

Oh, I see. While I admit the tangents are a distraction, I really don't have a problem with them. You seem to. Nobody is stopping you from starting said thread and emploring the users to discuss that topic there. Generally, as a rule, if you want something done the way you like, you need to do it yourself.