Deion Branch traded to Seahawks

[Mr Crunchy]

Overall' date=' Miami's passing game is much better than New Englands, though.[/quote']

 

i'll give you the oppurtunity to rephrase this nonsense

where do you come up with this ********??

 

and as schillthegeeks mentions

the ravens won with dilfer

the bucs with brad johnson

the steelers won with less in rothlesshitter who flat out sucks

the pats won with young brady who didnt have 125 yards in the superbowl passing

the giants won with phil simms and jeff hostetler

the bears with jim mcmahon

 

all these teams had common compnents

tremendous defenses and special teams play and could also run the ball a bit

we here have the same components now in place

if this defense stays healthy and this kicker can hold his own i think the offense will score enuff to keep them in every game theyre in

 

that being said

i think cinic is the creme of the afc this season

if their qb dont get knocked out of the game last winter i think they beat pitt and win it all

marvin lewis was the guru who built baltimores defense and has the weapons on offense to roll

indi is indi

when peyton wins his 1st big game i hope to still be alive to see it

his father never won s***,his brother eli i like better under pressure but peyton??

0-4 against the fla gators in college

0-forever against the pats

the year he left tennesee

T martin guides them and wins the national championship??

coincidence??

perhaps but peyton and archie never won anything in their lives

 

i think cinci and new england are the best ive seen in the afc with jaxonville being pretty good too

indi and pitt will be there but their too,denver im not sure about

miami may not score 20 points all season

they flat out suck on offense

[See Red]

Your defense isn't on par with any of the ones you mentioned. In fact, it's not even close so long as you're relying on a well-beyond his prime Junior Seau to shore up your LB's. Play a team first -- a good one, not Buffalo or the Jets -- and we can talk about this. Until then, I don't want to hear about your great running game and how great they were against two of the worst defensive lines in the League.

 

- The Ravens had one of the best running attacks in the league and one of the best defenses in the history of the NFL.

- The Buccaneers defense was also amazing, they had a very underrated QB in Brad Johnson, and two very good WR's in Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell.

- The Steelers have a great defense, especially with the emergence of Troy Polamalu as god and their great defensive schemes, a top five running game, a top WR, another speedy playmaking WR, and a Qb who could get them the ball when asked without making mistakes.

- The Bears... you have to be kidding when you bring up the Bears. They had a top 2 all-time defense and, one could certainly argue, the best running back of all-time.

 

Let's not pretend your team is as good as any of the above. Your defense isn't even close to being as good as any of the above. Your running game doesn't match up to all but one of those teams, and you don't have anything in terms of WR's. I dare say your defense doesn't finish in the top 10 in the league -- lets not get excited about wins against two teams with bottom third offensive and defensive lines.

 

Denver will be the first test of any kind for the Patriots. They're a dominant defense -- not so much in that they just suffocate you and don't allow you to gain anything, but they flat out do not give up points. New England learned this last postseason. Who's going to makes plays as a WR? Troy Brown against Champ Bailey? Nah. Chad Jackson or Doug Gabriel against Foxworth and Williams? Again... Nah. Watson against our athletic LB's? He hasn't done it yet.

[jsinger121]

someone is alittle cocky. Denver lost to a mediocre rams team and struggled against a s***** chiefs team at home.

[See Red]

Denver hasn't given up a touchdown despite a very potent Rams offense starting drives within the Broncos 30 about 5 times in the first half alone (and once within the five yard line). The Chiefs without Trent Green are probably still better than Buffalo or the Jets. In terms of your offense against our defense -- you just don't match up. Besides, what effect does last years opening game embarassment in Miami play in determining how good last years Broncos team was? Aside from better play from the defense, the Rams game was identical to that.

[Mr Crunchy]

troy palomalu as God eh??

we used to call him toast palomalu when deion was here he got burnt so very often

please

that pitt team was beaten against seattle...the tight end and their safetys blew that game

i wont mention the horrid officiating that made seattles coach comment on it during the cities parade....something ive never heard before

 

as far as the pats go

the names have changed and i have serious questions about their down field ability with the departure of branch

on this i agree

the winning formula hasnt changed as of yet though has it??

 

as far as jamaal lewis matching up with dillon and maroney??

if you insist on making this the basis of your argument as to how that baltimore team of 01 was than this years pats team so be it....i'll take a 2 headed attack with an inside outside approach..sure ray lewis had a huge year and a great playoff run but weve got some playmakers on defense that havent been charged with murder as of yet

again

if you insist i'll play along

Quote:

Originally Posted by See Red

Overall, Miami's passing game is much better than New Englands, though.

 

why the f*** would you say something like this unless youre an idiot or a ballbuster??

DID YOU POST THIS WHILE SOBER??

if not pm me

i can get you some aftercare that will end your shakes and sweats or call the samaritans

their # is on the bourne bridge,ive seen it.

 

our front 4 is the best in the business and they get pressure all day long

the linebackers are older but rosie colvin has continued to play outstanding football and you make fun of jr seau but he had a good game on sunday if you watched the same game i did

the secondary is tested and theyve tasted pain and a playoff loss and have had a whole year to play together,not just 3 practices in a week as they had to do last season due to injuries.

gene wilson assante samuel are vets now

hobbs has played exemplary cornerback

there are questions,has anyone answered more questions in 5 years than bellichek??

 

youre a denver or pitt fan or a miami fan?

i cant tell

i can only show you how flawed each team is??

shouldnt you be looking for quarterbacks instead of telling me whats wrong with the pats??

jesus christ

brady throws 4 pix

the zebras sleep at adolph coors mansion and you still get the s*** beaten out of you by pittsburg and youre here discussing the merits of denver football

or how pittsburg is outstanding after getting shut out by jaxonville or

how miamis passing game with quarterblack duante culpepper is waaaaaaaaay better than ours despite them getting stuffed at home and shut out for 55 minutes against

 

heres more from you

""Play a team first -- a good one, not Buffalo or the Jets -- and we can talk about this""

 

didnt buffalo just stick it up miami"s ass

this is precious

""OVERALL MIAMIS PASSING GAME IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW ENGLANDS""

wow

i know colorado has rarified air

i didnt know they prevented it from babies in the womb or did you get locked in a refridgerator as a kid??

[riverside sluggers]

Your defense isn't on par with any of the ones you mentioned. In fact, it's not even close so long as you're relying on a well-beyond his prime Junior Seau to shore up your LB's. Play a team first -- a good one, not Buffalo or the Jets -- and we can talk about this. Until then, I don't want to hear about your great running game and how great they were against two of the worst defensive lines in the League.

 

Let's not pretend your team is as good as any of the above. Your defense isn't even close to being as good as any of the above. Your running game doesn't match up to all but one of those teams, and you don't have anything in terms of WR's. I dare say your defense doesn't finish in the top 10 in the league -- lets not get excited about wins against two teams with bottom third offensive and defensive lines.

 

You are right-- Colvin, Bruschi, Vrabel, Seymour, Warren, re-emergence of Seau. What pushovers those hacks are as the D-Line, who are they kidding? And in the secondary is the return of Rodney Harrison, keep drinking that kool-aid if you actually believe this defense will be sub-par

[See Red]

Dante Culpepper had a better completion percentage and more yardage against Buffalo than Brady did. Whether they lost to them or not, to use that to suggest that my argument in that regard is flawed is ignorant. But hey, it's expected from you. Culpepper just played his second regular season game in almost a year -- expect rust.

 

I knew you'd go to the Super Bowl officiating. Pittsburgh won the game, get over it -- I don't like it, and I imagine you don't either. But we want to talk about officiating? Let's talk about Ty Law's coverage on Marvin Harrison a few years back. No, no... that didn't prompt Tony Dungy to make ignorant comments -- it only prompted the league to change how strictly they call pass interference. Let's talk about an awful rule that allowed New England to beat Oakland. It wasn't a horrible call -- so you won by the rules. But you know that rule would be changed by now if the NFL didn't think it would take away from the Patriots Super Bowl win that year.

 

Polamalu is the best safety in the league and this happened at some point later in last season. Actually watch a Steelers game and count how many times he's within 5 yards of the tackle.

 

And the basis for my Ravens argument was Jamal Lewis against your platoon of RB's.

Though, if given the choice, I'd take 2,000 yards by Terrell Davis over about 2,000 by Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell in split action. Add to that they had the best offensive line in the league and point goes to Baltimore in that department. Lewis managed to reach 2,000 yards despite defenses being able to focus entirely on the run... that is an impressive running game.

 

The basis for that argument was the Ravens defense. Which was the best in league history. The team gave up 4,000 yards all season. The best Patriots defense during their "dynasty" gave up 5,000. The Ravens would've had to play four more games to equal the Patriots defenses total. That Ravens defense gave up 10 points per game. The Patriots defense at their best gave up 14. Based on their average, the Ravens would've had to play 7 more games to equal the total points the Patriots gave up. The Ravens defensive numbers that season put even the Bears' 1985 numbers to shame.

 

Don't judge your front four until you've played an O-Line. Buffalo and NY are easily bottom ten in the League in terms of offensive line. The Jets are bottom three. Hell, bottom one. I watched Junior Seau many times in Miami last season, though I didn't catch the Patriots game -- he certainly looked useless in teal and orange last season. Not one name in your secondary at this point scares any good WR... or QB.

 

You're the only one who has trouble distinguishing which team is mine. Let's see... I argue against the Pats and suddenly I'm a fan of whatever team I think is better than them? Name one person on this board who's ripped Roethlisberger harder than I have. I'm certainly no Steelers fan. And I still mantain that Denver was one play away from winning that game against Pittsburgh. If Champ Bailey could've caught that very catchable INT, he had a guarenteed TD and it would've changed everything -- 14 or 10 point swing considering Pittsburgh scored on that drive, I believe. As it was, Pittsburgh followed the blue print to beating the Broncos -- get ahead and force Plummer to win the game.

[See Red]

You are right-- Colvin' date=' Bruschi, Vrabel, Seymour, Warren, re-emergence of Seau. What pushovers those hacks are as the D-Line, who are they kidding? And in the secondary is the return of Rodney Harrison, keep drinking that kool-aid if you actually believe this defense will be sub-par[/quote']

 

I'm not saying they'll be sub-par. I'm saying the names you listed, including Rodney Harrison (never good to rely on a player that spent time on the PUP list) coming back from his injury and Junior Seau's attempt to come back from his complete inability to contribute is par for the course. Yet Crunchy has the balls to compare them to the 2000 Ravens defense.

[Mr Crunchy]

this guy sounds like the notre dame fan who wanted to fight me saturday

THE CHARLIE WEISS DYNASTY IS IN FULL FORM AND WE WILL BE UNDEFEATED WHEN WE PLAY USC,10-0....

I GUARANTEE IT

as i was in the fridays in natick after the bc thriller and i was in the mood to f*** with the nitwits

 

""hey nd guy,shouldnt you win something before you call yourself a dynasty??""

 

THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN TURNED AROUND AND IF IT WASNT FOR...

 

""What!!

wasnt for what??...

ohio state beating the s*** out of you new years day after you went to a bowl you werent capable of being competetive in ??

or michigan state hanging 40 on you

or perhaps your inability to stop usc on 4th down and 10??

 

f*** YOU

 

thank you

check please....

is that your dynasty down 34-7 with a couple minutes left in the half??

 

f*** YOU

mine and michigan defenses rest smart guy

 

the reality is this

many people think their football team is the best in the land,some have a valid point

 

most are f***ing idiots who wouldnt know cover 2 from cover girl

 

i had a guy from arkansas tell me that they were gonna beat usc before losing 52-14.

my guy in nashville had tennesee beating florida 44-0 with eric ainge winning the heisman

theyre now about to lynch his ass....

some teams are legit,this west va team may go undefeated,that auburn team isnt someone you want to play and neither were the lsu tigers,florida has something to say as does michigan and usc and THE ohio st buckeyes

some are very good and some dont deserve to be considered

our eagles are now 3-0 and beat ranked clemson and a decent byu team

clemson handled florida state in tallahassee and they(fsu) beat miami in the orange bowl

i think? on labor day nite

should the eagles by these virtues be in the top 10?

not yet my friends

i have no illusions about bc being top 3 team in football

i do think realistically and optimistically theyre a top 10-15 team if they beat who they should beat and they happen to lose to va tech or florida state...

its common sense and rational thought

not a f***ing pipe dream or fantasy

[See Red]

Brilliant subject change. Instead of making me read that senseless dribble next time, why don't you just admit that you're wrong and that there's no parallels between this years Patriots and the 2000 Ravens. I'm a Notre Dame fan, however, and while I didn't think we'd win the National Championship this year, I can damn sure tell you that the Irish faithful's views of Weis, for the most part, are no different than your views of Belichek. You can't use the fact that Belichek did 'something with nothing' one year and then use that 'nothing' to argue about how much talent you've got on defense. He's either a miracle worker or you're a talented football team. So please, guys... pick one!

[Mr Crunchy]

The basis for that argument was the Ravens defense. Which was the best in league history. The team gave up 4,000 yards all season. The best Patriots defense during their "dynasty" gave up 5,000. The Ravens would've had to play four more games to equal the Patriots defenses total. That Ravens defense gave up 10 points per game. The Patriots defense at their best gave up 14. Based on their average, the Ravens would've had to play 7 more games to equal the total points the Patriots gave up. The Ravens defensive numbers that season put even the Bears' 1985 numbers to shame.

 

how many titles did your ravens or bears Defenses win compared to tedy d's teams??

you like#s eh??

 

hows duante culpepper burning up the scoreboard?

he was much more effective than brady wasnt he??

didnt ronnie brown avg 4 yards or better sunday??

whats the qbs excuse...he has none

as you clearly said

buffalos front line sucks yet duante couldnt score on them.....

2things can be made of this

buffalo is better than you thought or culpepper is worse than you thought.

in any case youre wrong

 

lets move on here

i do remember tony dungy whining to the refs because peyton manning got crucified and marvin harrison got beaten like a hitler pinata at a mossad picnic...

big deal

i also rememeber ben dreith f***ing the pats back in 1976 on a roughing the passer call on ray hamilton and on the ensuing stabler td....

he threw an offsides call on the pats that never happened either

just in case they didnt score

 

sometimes these things balance out over the years

and after having nightmares and sweats for 25 straight football seasons??

all the demons were exorcised the night of the tuck

a/v's 45 yarder into a raging blizzard and oaklands inability to run the clock out

and if you look at the fumble??

you will also see charles woodson hitting brady square in the head..

watch it again

head shots are 15 yard penalties on the qb....

i dont recall the penalty marked off.... but its ok,karma won out

[See Red]

The Bears never had a chance to win more. That team was dismantled rather quickly.

 

The Ravens 2001 season consisted of Chris Redman, Elvis Grbac, and Randall Cunningham at QB and Jamal Lewis never even recorded one carry. They never had a prayer to repeat. So not only did they get rid of the QB who didn't make mistakes, they lost the reason their offense was even decent.

 

Come on, man. This stuff isn't particularly difficult to look up.

 

As for Culpepper vs. Buffalo -- Culpepper needs to learn to cope with the fact that he won't be as mobile as he once was. This d-line still isn't any good -- but then again, neither is the Dolphins O-Line. But Culpepper's also adjusting to real game speed after last years injury. He'll get better, but even then, he hasn't yet been awful.

 

Helmet contact on the tuck rule play? You're nuts! Regardless -- the point was that I know you guys weren't complaining about officiating or crappy rules then. So why bring up the Super Bowl officiating? The Steelers won, get over it. Just like you expect the rest of the world to get over Ty Law's pass interferences or the tuck rule.

[Mr Crunchy]

wait a minute

now that bears team was intact for several seasons after they won it all

they merely lucked out in 86,the season before they had perhaps even a better defense but couldnt score at all,they got shut out in the 85nfc game by the 49ers 20-0

the following year they won it all

but

miami humiliated them on a monday nite

but then they got bounced by the pats in the 85afc title game

 

as far as the ravens go

lewis was hurt or was it prison?? and they signed grbac and let dilfer walk

losing a back hurts bad but if their defense played up to standards they wouldve at least challenged once since then

they havent

 

the bears team had several playoff teams after their superbowl run,notably the 90 nfc championship game against the 49ers in a frigid soldiers field....it was 0 at kickoff

they were shut out 27-0

the 86 bears were in tact but got smoked by the redskins at home as they used doug flutie at qb instead of tomzak or fuller,the team was split and ditka nearly died because of it

 

thanks for your time

good day all

[See Red]

They lucked out to the tune of 15-1 and breezing through the playoffs? That was the greatest NFL team of all time. No luck involved.

 

And I think Jamal Lewis' prison thing happened before the 2004 season.

[Mr Crunchy]

the greatest nfl team of all time wouldnt have jim mcmahon at qb and mike ditka as a head coach

those 49er teams of joe montana were better and beat that same bears team twice in the nfc title games in the 80s

once in sanfran and once in chicago

and if im not mistaken were shut out in both games losing by at least 20pts in each

[See Red]

Whatever. They're widely regarded as the greatest team ever. If you choose to disagree then that's your choice.

 

The 1989 49ers team is generally thought to be the best of the 49ers dynasty, anyway.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think that team was incredibly overrated with their rap videos,mcmahons headbands and william perrys belly

thats why they were a 1 hit wonder and disposed of by better teams before and after 85

 

i truly believe if miami got by new england they wouldve beaten them as they did on that monday nite the same year

shula used a floating pocket and some misdirection and buddy ryan didnt know whether to s*** or go blind