5th starter

[RoyNHSox]

I was impressed with Gabbard’s debut. Other than some costly walks that Ichiro capitalized on, he got through 5 innings with only 2 runs allowed. He got a lot of groundouts and 2 DP’s, and showed a nice sinking fastball.

 

It sucks that he was victimized by a bad call from the umpire, an error, and the relief work of Tavarez. He’s definitely not the answer to the 5th starter question for this year, but to fill in until Wake or Wells can come back, it looks like he can hold his own.

[riverside sluggers]

If Wells' 5 inning simulation goes well today, he could return to the mound on Sunday facing the Angels

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20060724_24rsoxjo.15b73b7.html

[Red Sox Rulz]

We don't trade Hansen,Paps,Pedoria,or any of our other future championshp pieces.We're doing well.Every team has a slump now and then. We can use a 3 or 4 an rotation in the playoffs.

[Mr Crunchy]

wells is the key

he needs to eat up some innings so our pen isnt toast by october

[schillingouttheks]

We don't trade Hansen,Paps,Pedoria,or any of our other future championshp pieces.We're doing well.Every team has a slump now and then. We can use a 3 or 4 an rotation in the playoffs.

Of course you don't trade Paps or Lester, maybe Pedroia. I see Hansen as expendable in the right situation. Why do you think these guys will bring us a championship? Yeah sure, they'll do good things for us, but our future with these guys is just as uncertain as anything else. They're probably supposed to bring us championships, what if they don't? If you can win a championship now, then do it. Like a700hitter says all the time...a banner lasts forever. I would love to see these kids play, but if giving up 1 or 2 of them could help us make a serious run this year and in the next few, then yes, by all means do it.

 

Bagwell was supposed to win us a championship, we were also supposed to win in '67, '75 and '86. What happened there? Don't say that these kids will piece together a championship team. Yes, maybe a championship caliber team, but by no means is it set in stone that we will win because of these kids. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[riverside sluggers]

Just passing this along

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/07/red_sox_eyeing.html

 

The Red Sox like other teams sent scouts to watch Cory Lidle start today vs the D-Backs.

Final line- 8 innings, 4 Hits, 2 Runs, 8 Ks

 

Now he's not a front of the line starter and no one would be expecting that out of him. The Sox just need a guy who can eat innings and keep the team in the games. Some good thoughts to have about Lidle... He is known to be a 2nd half pitcher, posting career ERAs of 3.56 in August and 3.40 in September

[SoxFan25]

not bad of a line for lidle....not bad at all.

[a700hitter]

not bad of a line for lidle....not bad at all.

Any team that gets him in a trade will not see that line very often.

[SoxFan25]

im to lazy to find his season stats....anybody wanna do the favor?

[riverside sluggers]

Any team that gets him in a trade will not see that line very often.

 

Not all teams can afford to have 5 aces on their staff. He would be what he is, a 5th starter. He'd definitely be an upgrade over Pauley, Alvarez, Gabbard, and Snyder who is showing he doesnt have the stamina to be going more than 4 innings

 

Like I said, im not expecting shutouts left & right. He is an innings eater, which Im sure the Sox have on their checklists. Theo is also going for these low-risk guys (though Lidle stands out as best of them) because he stands by his decision he doesnt want to sell the farm for a win-now deal.

[a700hitter]

Not all teams can afford to have 5 aces on their staff. He would be what he is, a 5th starter. He'd definitely be an upgrade over Pauley, Alvarez, Gabbard, and Snyder who is showing he doesnt have the stamina to be going more than 4 innings

Al Nipper i\would be an upgrade over those guys.

 

Like I said, im not expecting shutouts left & right. He is an innings eater, which Im sure the Sox have on their checklists. Theo is also going for these low-risk guys (though Lidle stands out as best of them) because he stands by his decision he doesnt want to sell the farm for a win-now deal.

If there was a win-it-now deal available, Theo would be a fool not to make it. I am sure he has explored the possibility of getting Willis, Smoltz and Schmidt. I don't think the Marlins have Willis on the block except at a prohibitive price. As for Schmidt, he is worth more to SF in a penant race than he would garner in prospects, because he is a only a rent-a-player. I am still holding out hope that the time is right for Smoltz to move. If the Red Sox were to pass on Smoltz because they did not want to part with Hansen, and the Yankees were to get him, that would be a bitter pill to swallow. As much as I like Hansen, he is not the key piece that will bring the Sox a Championship this year. Smoltz would make the Sox the odds on favorites in the post-season.

[jsinger121]

The Yankees have no chance at Smoltz unless they are willing to part with Philip Hughes and they are not going to do that.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees have no chance at Smoltz unless they are willing to part with Philip Hughes and they are not going to do that.

Never underestimate the ability of the Yankees to get a deal done. Maybe they wouldn't trade Hughes, but maybe they would be willing to take a major salary dump like Mike Hampton. No other team has the resources to take on that contract. DId you think that there was a chance in hell that the Yanks would land ARod after the Sox FO washed out on its attempt? Afterall, the Yanks had the icon Jeter playing SS, so there was no place for ARod...right? If the Braves are motiviated to move Smoltz (and there is no evidence that they are so motivated) the Yankees would have their A-team working on it.

[jsinger121]

Never underestimate the ability of the Yankees to get a deal done. Maybe they wouldn't trade Hughes, but maybe they would be willing to take a major salary dump like Mike Hampton. No other team has the resources to take on that contract. DId you think that there was a chance in hell that the Yanks would land ARod after the Sox FO washed out on its attempt? Afterall, the Yanks had the icon Jeter playing SS, so there was no place for ARod...right? If the Braves are motiviated to move Smoltz (and there is no evidence that they are so motivated) the Yankees would have their A-team working on it.

 

Even the Yankees have a limit and I would doubt they would take on dead wood on Hamptons deal when they are paying Carl Pavano to sit on the DL. Schuerholtz ain't moving Smoltz for anything less than a top prospect or 2. And the braves even paying hampton that much. Alot is being paid by the Rockies along with the Marlins in that creative 3 way deal they did. I have heard the Tigers dangling Humberto Sanchez for Smoltz and if that is true then Schuerholtz would be a fool not to take him.

[a700hitter]

Even the Yankees have a limit and I would doubt they would take on dead wood on Hamptons deal when they are paying Carl Pavano to sit on the DL. Schuerholtz ain't moving Smoltz for anything less than a top prospect or 2. And the braves even paying hampton that much. Alot is being paid by the Rockies along with the Marlins in that creative 3 way deal they did. I have heard the Tigers dangling Humberto Sanchez for Smoltz and if that is true then Schuerholtz would be a fool not to take him.

The Red Sox shouldn't let any AL competitor ace them out for Smoltz if the Braves decide to move him. He would make any AL competitor the favorite to win it all. None of us know what is being offered or dangled for Smoltz. It is as you say speculation at best. I am saying that if Smoltz gets moved (a big "if") the Sox FO has to make sure it wins that sweepstakes. Finally, please stop ruling out the Yankees. I still remember the Yankees picking up David Cone at the 1995 trading deadline for three guys that never amounted to anything. Only one of them made it to the majors, and he pitched in a grand total of 27 games over 2 years.

[Mr Crunchy]

Finally, please stop ruling out the Yankees. I still remember the Yankees picking up David Cone at the 1995 trading deadline for three guys that never amounted to anything. Only one of them made it to the majors, and he pitched in a grand total of 27 games over 2 years

 

amen brother

why would the yanks getting smoltz suprise anyone??

really

this is the same team that had nobody in their system 5 years ago yet theyve come up with cabrerra cano wang and phillips in the last 15 months,all have contributed

they wouldve watched the playoffs at home last year if not for aaron small and the deal they made for chacon

 

ask steinbrenner if hed trade phillip hughes for jon smoltz

i'd be willing to be that steinbrenner dont even know where hughes is playing

[rician blast]

Even the Yankees have a limit and I would doubt they would take on dead wood on Hamptons deal when they are paying Carl Pavano to sit on the DL. Schuerholtz ain't moving Smoltz for anything less than a top prospect or 2. And the braves even paying hampton that much. Alot is being paid by the Rockies along with the Marlins in that creative 3 way deal they did. I have heard the Tigers dangling Humberto Sanchez for Smoltz and if that is true then Schuerholtz would be a fool not to take him.

 

You can never, ever count on the Yankees having "a limit". With their resources and thirst for championships, if they get an opportunity to grab Smoltz, Carl Pavano's status won't enter into the decision making at all.

 

The Yankees find a way. And that scares me.

[riverside sluggers]

You can never, ever count on the Yankees having "a limit". With their resources and thirst for championships, if they get an opportunity to grab Smoltz, Carl Pavano's status won't enter into the decision making at all.

 

The Yankees find a way. And that scares me.

 

If they trade away Phillip Hughes, the Atlanta Braves in the end will get the better deal. Sure Yanks get Smoltz for half a season, maybe 2.. But the Braves get a top pitching stud who has the potential to be a #2 or 1 for years to come

[Mr Crunchy]

how many big games has phil hughes won in his life??

 

smoltz is one of the best money pitchers in history

hes been healthy and he still throws as hard as ever

this isnt a guy who is done

despite his age he looks like he can still pitch as long as he wants to

[rician blast]

If they trade away Phillip Hughes, the Atlanta Braves in the end will get the better deal. Sure Yanks get Smoltz for half a season, maybe 2.. But the Braves get a top pitching stud who has the potential to be a #2 or 1 for years to come

 

what the Braves get or don't get in this proposed deal is not of consequence to Sox fans as they and the Yankees are in different situations.

 

What the Yankees get IS of consequence to the Sox....and if they land Smoltz, they've essentially got a NEW #1 pitcher (based on his "money game" prowess) going into the dog days and likely the playoffs. That is no small detail.

 

Imagine the Yanks landing one of the best big game pitchers of his era? We're not talking Clemens here, folks, we're talking about a clutch performer.

[riverside sluggers]

what the Braves get or don't get in this proposed deal is not of consequence to Sox fans as they and the Yankees are in different situations.

 

What the Yankees get IS of consequence to the Sox....and if they land Smoltz, they've essentially got a NEW #1 pitcher (based on his "money game" prowess) going into the dog days and likely the playoffs. That is no small detail.

 

Imagine the Yanks landing one of the best big game pitchers of his era? We're not talking Clemens here, folks, we're talking about a clutch performer.

 

So youre Sox GM. Atlanta calls you up and say ok we'll give you Smoltz but we want Lester & another top prospect. What do you do

 

I mentioned Lester & top prospect because that is whats been floating around there of what teams have been asking Boston for

[schillingouttheks]

What he's saying is that it's pointless to analyze that trade because what Atlanta gets doesn't matter to us. We can sit here and say the Yanks got screwed, but it doesn't matter because even if they got the worse end of the deal, they still got John Smoltz, and we have to worry about that. It's not a question of being the Sox GM, it's realizing that the Yankees would have John Smoltz and that it's a bigger deal than just laughing and saying that Hughes was thrown away. Hughes hasn't pitched in the majors yet, and Smoltz could very well bring them to another world championship this year if he ends up there. Yes, it bothers Red Sox fans.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

So youre Sox GM. Atlanta calls you up and say ok we'll give you Smoltz but we want Lester & another top prospect. What do you do

 

I mentioned Lester & top prospect because that is whats been floating around there of what teams have been asking Boston for

I'd tell them to go to hell.

[Mr Crunchy]

jon lester or jon smoltz in game 7 this year

forget about next year

this year

 

banners are forever

[jsinger121]

jon lester or jon smoltz in game 7 this year

forget about next year

this year

 

banners are forever

 

I'm just glad you are not in charge of the Red Sox.

[Mr Crunchy]

we can revisit this in october

jon lester has 7 career starts,hes beatent he national league and kansas city

hes struggles to go 6 innings

his era is 3 but lets face it

hes done some serious serious tap dancing to avoid getting killed out there and that he paid for the dancing on sunday in a bad way

 

i like him

 

i like world championships better

 

jon lester for jon smoltz gives us the inside track to win the world series without a doubt

if hes on the table??

whoever gets him between boston ny detroit or chicago instantly becomesTHE team

 

someday jon lester may have that value

and despite his very impressive win total and basically tremendous efforts out there

i'd prefer jon smoltz walking into the bronx or the metrodome than a 22 year old rooki

 

crazy eh??

 

we're good enuff to win this thing this year...

why wait for lester to develop when we need a stud in october 06 not october 08

anything short of a world series title is a disappointment

and i'd sell a kidney for a title

never mind jon lester

[riverside sluggers]

Now Im really getting a migraine

[jsinger121]

smoltz is a great pitcher but I don't trade a 22 yr old lefthander for him no matter what. even with smoltz you are not guaranteed a title. i will take long term success over a quick fix.

[Mr Crunchy]

hard to argue with your logic

i do love left handed pitching but i see more ted lilly than tom glavine with this guy for some reason

maybe he needs a scar on his face

[CrespoBlows]

we can revisit this in october

jon lester has 7 career starts,hes beatent he national league and kansas city

hes struggles to go 6 innings

his era is 3 but lets face it

hes done some serious serious tap dancing to avoid getting killed out there and that he paid for the dancing on sunday in a bad way

 

i like him

 

i like world championships better

 

jon lester for jon smoltz gives us the inside track to win the world series without a doubt

if hes on the table??

whoever gets him between boston ny detroit or chicago instantly becomesTHE team

 

someday jon lester may have that value

and despite his very impressive win total and basically tremendous efforts out there

i'd prefer jon smoltz walking into the bronx or the metrodome than a 22 year old rooki

 

crazy eh??

 

we're good enuff to win this thing this year...

why wait for lester to develop when we need a stud in october 06 not october 08

anything short of a world series title is a disappointment

and i'd sell a kidney for a title

never mind jon lester

 

Not the best way to run a major league franchise. Go ahead, trade your ace in the making for a guy who'll pitch here for two months. Maybe you should ask Bill Lajoie, if he'd make another trade like that.