matsui

[ahhchon]

you know, i'm sad to see him hurt. he's probably one of the most respected yankees out there. did anyone see this article? http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2443147

 

the guy APOLOGIZED for getting hurt. what a complete class act.

 

get well soon matsui, it's always nice when your opponent is not scum like some of the other yankees.

 

john

[TheRivernator]

Matsui is the man. I love the guy and the fact that he is apologizing for breaking his wrist on a balls to the wall play in LF is amazing. He'll be back this yr from the sounds of it, and I hope he can stay motivated. A guy who hasnt missed a game in 12 yrs will be itching to get back on the field....

[riverside sluggers]

I find it hard to believe that the Yanks will trot out a rotation of Bernie, Bubba & Melky in left/right field for the remainder of the season. One way or another a trade for an outfielder will come, taking more prospects from NY in the process. Unless they are able to give away Jaret Wright

[TheRivernator]

sheff will be back in a couple weeks and then we can sit back and watch Melky Cabrera develop. We have a good one in this kid....

[Dana Kiecker]

Taking into account that Matsui has a self admitted large porno collection..

 

( Insert wrist joke here)..

 

Im sorry to see him go down. He really is a great ballplayer. And the least annoying of the Bombers. He also is really only one of a small few of the current Yankees that has overperformed for his salary. IMO.

[jsinger121]

I find it hard to believe that he will make it back in 3 months. He may never be the same player after this injury.

[TheRivernator]

I find it hard to believe that he will make it back in 3 months. He may never be the same player after this injury.

 

You have no idea what type of injury he sustained. You make me laugh, judging based on bias instead of on substance. All we know is that he has a wrist fracture. We do not know the extent of his ligament damage, but the fact that he isnt considered out for the season means that his ligaments are not torn. This means that he likely sprained his wrist (people do it all the time and come back from it in 3 weeks or so) and broke his wrist. The sprain will heal first, the break will heal second. Broken bones heal almost completely and leave hardly any residual effects. Tearing ligaments is something that is dicey. Matsui will be back, I'd say he is back in time for the 5 game set with the sox in mid to late august. But as we see with Crisp, these guys have setbacks, so who knows when he will be completely back, but to speculate that he wont be the same again from this injury is just plain stupid, and shows a total ignorance of the facts on your part......

[Dana Kiecker]

Last I heard it was 3 months with a possible no return for the season.

 

So to me that doesnt sound like its gonna be less than 3 months.

 

BTW Riv, you riding jsinger121 for his alledged " bias" and lack of knowledge in physiology, and then turning around and explaining to us how Matsui will be back in August is off the charts hypocritical... Too funny you are..

[riverside sluggers]

I find it hard to believe that he will make it back in 3 months. He may never be the same player after this injury.

 

Many reports have the Yankees are hoping for him to be out for at least 3 months. Which of course means "out for the season" is not out of the question.

 

Besides as we've seen from numerous players including Nomar, they arent themselves right after they come back from a wrist injury.

[jsinger121]

You have no idea what type of injury he sustained. You make me laugh, judging based on bias instead of on substance. All we know is that he has a wrist fracture. We do not know the extent of his ligament damage, but the fact that he isnt considered out for the season means that his ligaments are not torn. This means that he likely sprained his wrist (people do it all the time and come back from it in 3 weeks or so) and broke his wrist. The sprain will heal first, the break will heal second. Broken bones heal almost completely and leave hardly any residual effects. Tearing ligaments is something that is dicey. Matsui will be back, I'd say he is back in time for the 5 game set with the sox in mid to late august. But as we see with Crisp, these guys have setbacks, so who knows when he will be completely back, but to speculate that he wont be the same again from this injury is just plain stupid, and shows a total ignorance of the facts on your part......

 

Dude I shattered my wrist basically similar to him and I still have not fully recovered. And that happened in 1998. I still have the effects of that injury. If Matsui is back in 3 months I will be shocked. Don't hold your breath Riv that he will even be back this year let alone the same player.

[TheRivernator]

Last I heard it was 3 months with a possible no return for the season.

 

So to me that doesnt sound like its gonna be less than 3 months.

 

BTW Riv, you riding jsinger121 for his alledged " bias" and lack of knowledge in physiology, and then turning around and explaining to us how Matsui will be back in August is off the charts hypocritical... Too funny you are..

 

His expected return date is august, so I'm not pulling it out of my ass here. I also acknowledged the fact that these guys have setbacks more than other types of injuries, so his return date may be pushed back. Right now he is on pace to be ready for that sox series. Only setbacks can deter him, what is done is done now, and seeing as his prognosis is 3 months at this venture, then I'd say that the ligaments are intact....

[TheRivernator]

Dude I shattered my wrist basically similar to him and I still have not fully recovered. And that happened in 1998. I still have the effects of that injury. If Matsui is back in 3 months I will be shocked. Don't hold your breath Riv that he will even be back this year let alone the same player.

 

STOP THE ********!!! We have no idea which bones he broke, in what places and at what degrees they had to be repaired. How can you make a generalized statement about your personal experience when you have no clue how similar your injury was to his? You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Also, he has access to the best trainers in the world and the best facilities in the world, aiming to get him back to peak performance on return. You didnt have that available, none of us do....

[jsinger121]

I would 3 months is generous and that the Yankee FO doesn't expect him back in that time from all the reports I have heard.

[jsinger121]

STOP THE ********!!! We have no idea which bones he broke, in what places and at what degrees they had to be repaired. How can you make a generalized statement about your personal experience when you have no clue how similar your injury was to his? You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Also, he has access to the best trainers in the world and the best facilities in the world, aiming to get him back to peak performance on return. You didnt have that available, none of us do....

 

Stop drinking your Yankee Kool Aid all the time.

[RedRuffing15]

I am too going to miss Matsui, He was always out there(and literally always) and I think like 70% of his homeruns come in the 6-7-8-9 innings, so he was clutch. He was a great fielder too, and his presence is going to be missed. It was just really grousem to look at what he had to do once he missed the ball, and the fact he went and got it make me even more happy wih him, becuase I'm sure some other players might just lay there and let the ball roll, so I know what Matsui cares about most.

We can never replace Matsuis bat, but Bubba is a terrific fielder, and I feel that he should take the starting position there, and if Melky plays in right till Sheff comes back, thats fine too, becuase it will get him used to big league pitching for anytime we may need to pinch run him in the 7th or something like that. But I just done want to see them go out and trade for another OF becuase then we'll have 4 great OF and 3 OF positions come next season(or even this season, when Matsui comes back)

[Dana Kiecker]

Besides as we've seen from numerous players including Nomar, they arent themselves right after they come back from a wrist injury.

 

Ummm hate to burst your bubble but Nomars tendon was shredded, most doctors hadnt seen an injury such as that. I hate to use the S word here in this thread but it should be noted that most users have muscle growth but tendons and ligaments dont grow along with the muscle.

 

Matsui's injury was a violent physical injury. Sorry to derail the thread. Lets get back on track.

[riverside sluggers]

But I just done want to see them go out and trade for another OF becuase then we'll have 4 great OF and 3 OF positions come next season(or even this season, when Matsui comes back)

 

Pending Sheffield's option being picked up. Who knows the traded OF could give way to his option being declined. One high on the list I bet is Torri Hunter, best defensive center fielder in the game and has done well against us in his career. Damon earlier in the NY Post I believe, was petitioning for the Yankees to grab Hunter for next year.

 

Which is in itself a shot at Sheff. Damon proclaimed he would move to right if Torri donned pinstripes. Though Im not sure you guys want Damon's arm in right field. Oh the adventures he would have playing at Fenway

[riverside sluggers]

Ummm hate to burst your bubble but Nomars tendon was shredded, most doctors hadnt seen an injury such as that. I hate to use the S word here in this thread but it should be noted that most users have muscle growth but tendons and ligaments dont grow along with the muscle.

 

Matsui's injury was a violent physical injury. Sorry to derail the thread. Lets get back on track.

 

Nomar & Matsui both have had wrist injuries... as I said numerous players including Nomar arent themselves after a wrist injury. I dont get how you burst my bubble on that one, whatever

[TheRivernator]

Stop drinking your Yankee Kool Aid all the time.

 

seriously, you cannot retort my point so you throw a no-substance crap post like that in there. I was hoping for something more out of you. I have a medical background. I know the prognosis and the worries about a wrist fracture and I know how long it would keep a hitter our for. Torn wrist tendons or ligaments mean season over, 6-10 months of recovery before he can swing a bat again, earlier if he is lucky. A wrist fracture, depending on the location can be anywhere from 4-6 to 10-12 weeks depending on which bone is broken. Your wrist is actually a collection of a bunch of bones. Scaphoid, lunate, trapezium, pisiform, trapezoid, triquetrum, capitate and hamate. Some fractures are worse than others and those bones are frequently dislocated with hard trauma. If he is out 12 weeks, he likely broke a stronger bone (scaphoid maybe) and may have dislocated it as well. The good thing is, they went in and fixed it and didnt change the prognosis. That means they saw the ligaments and they were intact. Hence, he has a 3 month (or 12 week prognosis). He has a high likelihood of having a setback on his road to recovery. Seeing as he hasnt had one yet, he is expected to be back in mid august by simple math. No Kool-Aid, just hard facts. When and if he has a setback, then he will adjust accordingly...

[TheRivernator]

And they were both injurues to the wrist... so umm Im still going with the post I had made, sorry to burst your bubble

 

seriously, that is a stupid post too. So a guy who tears a meniscus has the same prognosis as a guy who ruptures his ACL because both injuries are in the knee? Makes no f***ing sense at all....

[TheRivernator]

Nomar & Matsui both have had wrist injuries... as I said numerous players including Nomar arent themselves after a wrist injury. I dont get how you burst my bubble on that one, whatever

 

he burst your bubble because they were not the same injury. Tendons and ligaments are much harder to return from than bone breaks. Breaks heal rather well. Tendons and ligaments take much longer and they return stiff and weak. Think about it, bones are meant to be hard, so when they heal they become hard again, no problem. Tendons and ligaments are made to hold two bones or a muscle and a bone together and are under major shear stress and must also respond at a moments notice. If they are torn, they lose their tensile strength and they never return to the way they were before....

[redsoxrules]

seriously, you cannot retort my point so you throw a no-substance crap post like that in there. I was hoping for something more out of you. I have a medical background. I know the prognosis and the worries about a wrist fracture and I know how long it would keep a hitter our for. Torn wrist tendons or ligaments mean season over, 6-10 months of recovery before he can swing a bat again, earlier if he is lucky. A wrist fracture, depending on the location can be anywhere from 4-6 to 10-12 weeks depending on which bone is broken. Your wrist is actually a collection of a bunch of bones. Scaphoid, lunate, trapezium, pisiform, trapezoid, triquetrum, capitate and hamate. Some fractures are worse than others and those bones are frequently dislocated with hard trauma. If he is out 12 weeks, he likely broke a stronger bone (scaphoid maybe) and may have dislocated it as well. The good thing is, they went in and fixed it and didnt change the prognosis. That means they saw the ligaments and they were intact. Hence, he has a 3 month (or 12 week prognosis). He has a high likelihood of having a setback on his road to recovery. Seeing as he hasnt had one yet, he is expected to be back in mid august by simple math. No Kool-Aid, just hard facts. When and if he has a setback, then he will adjust accordingly...

 

even tough you have a medical background ,like you said to us you have no idea how severe the injury is , did his doctor give you his file? until then i wouldnt assume he is gonna be back in august

[TheRivernator]

even tough you have a medical background ,like you said to us you have no idea how severe the injury is , did his doctor give you his file? until then i wouldnt assume he is gonna be back in august

 

All I am saying is that his PROGNOSIS is that he will return in august. That infers that his ligaments are intact. If they weren't, his PROGNOSIS would be out for the season. Your PROGNOSIS can change based on setbacks.

[Sky]

It sucks to miss your most consistent player. The Yankees need a class act like Matsui.. well obviously he's not going to be back 100% in this season either way so it's going to come down to who you pick up.. I don't really think it'll come down to replacing him with a farm system player.

 

I don't think Torii Hunter will be picked up. you MIGHT have a chance with stewart though...its tough to say.:dunno: .but obviously there's no limit to how much the Yankees will pay once the farm system option is put down.

[Optimist]

If Melky/Bubba can't produce I expect a trade. Who's an OF who is in the last year of their contract and their team is willing to part with them??

[Beckett95]

Jose Guillen, although no one has mentioned his name before

 

also...

 

Jay Payton

Hunter

Milton Bradley

Shannon Stewart

 

 

if their teams fall out of the playoff race

[riverside sluggers]

If Melky/Bubba can't produce I expect a trade. Who's an OF who is in the last year of their contract and their team is willing to part with them??

 

Torri Hunter, a $12 million option on him for 2007. But the Twins are all but certain to cut ties with him. Shannon Stewart as well. As "Beckett" said there's Jose Guillen. Oakland has former Sox, Jay Payton who wants more playing time than he's been given. Pittsburgh has Craig Wilson who they tried to trade numerous times in the offseason. Just names on top of my head...

[jsinger121]

How about Reggie Sanders even though he got a pointless 2 yr deal at his age by the Royals. He is a playoff type of player since he has played in the playoffs with multiple teams.

[Beckett95]

Craig Wilson would be a pretty good choice, considering that he's the cheapest to get and productive

[TheRivernator]

How about Reggie Sanders even though he got a pointless 2 yr deal at his age by the Royals. He is a playoff type of player since he has played in the playoffs with multiple teams.

 

you have redeemed yourself in one post. Reggie Sanders would be a perfect fit. Easy to get, playoff caliber player who wont take much to get. I likey....