Tito bashing comes early this year.

[GhostofMalzone]

I found this post on another BoSox site. A sure sign

of spring. Like the crocus, iris and potholes the Tito

bashers also bloom with the coming of the season.

 

"IT IS SO funny to me that most people are overlooking

the fact that as long as francona is with the sox they have

no chance of winning the world series. ....this team isnt close

to as good as the 2004 team that overcame francona's inept coaching..

PLEASE FIRE THIS BALD MORON!" (the globe site)

 

It makes you wonder? If a couple ( possibly? closely related to begin with, before marriage) living in a cabin in Moosescrew, Maine with the words, "Popeye never got a break" spray painted in red across the side of an old Buick convertible which also doubles as a planter and bath tub, are producing offspring at an alarming rate. Frightening

 

Is anyone else glad that the "Jerome (Bus) Bettis" feel good story is finely over?

Kudos, Joe an Terry it's a good thing that your not in it only for the money.

It's good to be an ex-super star

[MANNYHOF24]

I found this post on another BoSox site. A sure sign

of spring. Like the crocus, iris and potholes the Tito

bashers also bloom with the coming of the season.

 

"IT IS SO funny to me that most people are overlooking

the fact that as long as francona is with the sox they have

no chance of winning the world series. ....this team isnt close

to as good as the 2004 team that overcame francona's inept coaching..

PLEASE FIRE THIS BALD MORON!" (the globe site)

 

It makes you wonder? If a couple ( possibly? closely related to begin with, before marriage) living in a cabin in Moosescrew, Maine with the words, "Popeye never got a break" spray painted in red across the side of an old Buick convertible which also doubles as a planter and bath tub, are producing offspring at an alarming rate. Frightening

 

Is anyone else glad that the "Jerome (Bus) Bettis" feel good story is finely over?

Kudos, Joe an Terry it's a good thing that your not in it only for the money.

It's good to be an ex-super star

 

Ok, first off, i dont think Tito is a great manager but we have had worse. Also in 04 playoffs his bullpen decisons in my opinon were excellent. Also he left the struggling Damon and Belhorn in the lineup look how that turned out.

[ksushi]

I like francona, but honestly, no one in their right mind would take Johnny out of any lineup in the playoffs when he is your star lead off hitter. You just don't. The Bellhorn thing was good.

 

He made some good choices, and I think he is a good coach. I think he is a good players coach but he takes it too far and at times I get really frusterated with his bullpen choices.

 

What is with him not playing the kids?

 

erm, anyways im supposed to be the guy who likes francona, and I do.

[26 to 6]

He is WAYY too overrated. I would never consider him a great manager. And say what you want, but its not because i'm a Yankee fan.

[GhostofMalzone]

Ok, first off, i dont think Tito is a great manager but we have had worse. Also in 04 playoffs his bullpen decisons in my opinon were excellent. Also he left the struggling Damon and Belhorn in the lineup look how that turned out.

 

 

 

OK...So what exactly are you saying here?

We won it all in 04, So his moves during that

season must not have been all that bad.

The perfect manager hasn't been born yet,

Or likely ever will be.

[riverside sluggers]

The one thing that Irked me is that he kept bringing in Timlin when there was runners on base even by the end of the season

[TheRivernator]

The one thing that Irked me is that he kept bringing in Timlin when there was runners on base even by the end of the season

 

He is a poor man's Joe Torre. A players manager...

[KeepTheFaith1229]

He is WAYY too overrated. I would never consider him a great manager. And say what you want, but its not because i'm a Yankee fan.

 

Nobody here said he was a great manager.

 

Terry Francona is a good manager. He makes good decisions but he's human just like every coach in baseball is.

[GhostofMalzone]

The one thing that Irked me is that he kept bringing in Timlin when there was runners on base even by the end of the season

 

 

It's the old saying, "You dance with the one that brought you"

[MANNYHOF24]

It's the old saying, "You dance with the one that brought you"

 

Yes, however Timlin never brought us anywhere coming in with runners on base

[guapo34]

The one thing that Irked me is that he kept bringing in Timlin when there was runners on base even by the end of the season

 

But the rest of the bullpen sucked. And despite what happend last year, I'm not sure I really believe its possible for a pitcher to be a very good pitcher with no one on base, and awful with a man on. It defies logic. If he's that bad at pitching with a slide step, i think he'd stop using one. And his problems weren't just with guys on first, so I really don't think that was the issue. I'm going with blind luck he was so good with the bases empty and terrible with runners on.

[yeszir]

My first thought after reading that post: "But we already won a world series with him as our manager?"

[Rosey]

My first thought after reading that post: "But we already won a world series with him as our manager?"

 

That was my first thought too yeszir.

 

You have to take into consideration...

it's is coming from the Globe forum.

[Mr Crunchy]

He is a poor man's Joe Torre. A players manager

 

joe torre??

if there were an award for underachieving they'd name it the JOE TORRE AWARD

only 1 manager in mlb history came back from being down 0-3

only 1 manager blew a 3-0 lead

only 1 manager had a 200million dollar payroll and didnt win

 

every year they sign the best players available

every year they bag the best available pitcher

how long before steinberger wakes to the fact that theyre 0 for the century and losing money in the process??

[TheMeanWalrus]

He is a poor man's Joe Torre. A players manager

 

joe torre??

if there were an award for underachieving they'd name it the JOE TORRE AWARD

only 1 manager in mlb history came back from being down 0-3

only 1 manager blew a 3-0 lead

only 1 manager had a 200million dollar payroll and didnt win

 

every year they sign the best players available

every year they bag the best available pitcher

how long before steinberger wakes to the fact that theyre 0 for the century and losing money in the process??

 

 

 

I was all set to present my underachiever rant and you stole my thunder.

Curse you Sean Patrick

 

 

Joe Torre

Bwahahahahahaha

Has anyone in the history of MLB done less with what they've been given?

[Hammer]

Joe Torre will become very famous someday due to the song that sean patrick wrote about him....

 

rollin rollin rollin!

Joe Torre's colin's swollen!

 

I agree with all the morons and idiots that think that Terry is a lousy manager...yeah he really is isn't he??? sorry bastard only won 95 games last year...what the hell is the matter with that guy??? injuries? WHAT? I don't want to hear any excuses!!! we should have blah blah blah fkn blah'ed last year........

 

9:40 in the morning and I'm already for a trip to the packy!!!

I think that the tito bashers should take the day off and all go run face first into a brick wall until late tonight.

 

Hey Crunch, just heard and my sympathies to you bro about your gal...

Walrus, this morning on EEI they were talking about trying to bring RAJA back to pitch his final season in Boston!!! I guess Tom Werner is putting together a DVD to send to ol Phlem to get him to consider it...you know, kids in school and people on the street....oy fkn veh!

[gosox613]

He is a poor man's Joe Torre. A players manager

 

joe torre??

if there were an award for underachieving they'd name it the JOE TORRE AWARD

only 1 manager in mlb history came back from being down 0-3

only 1 manager blew a 3-0 lead

only 1 manager had a 200million dollar payroll and didnt win

 

every year they sign the best players available

every year they bag the best available pitcher

how long before steinberger wakes to the fact that theyre 0 for the century and losing money in the process??

You cant pin the whole comeback on either of the managers, so dont put them down or raise them up for it happening. Also, money cant buy everything. THink about how many egos torre has to deal with, a huge payroll isnt necessarily a stress reliver for a manager. PLus, look at what he did in the '90s, i mean, come on.

[VA Sox Fan]

You cant pin the whole comeback on either of the managers, so dont put them down or raise them up for it happening. Also, money cant buy everything. THink about how many egos torre has to deal with, a huge payroll isnt necessarily a stress reliver for a manager. PLus, look at what he did in the '90s, i mean, come on.

 

 

He had an awesome team in the 90's w/ great chemistry....since 2000 has had an All Star team w/ no chemistry....it'll be better for the MFY when Steinberger is out of the day to day....he had to have Sheff, A-Rod, Johnson etc etc...

[gosox613]

He had an awesome team in the 90's w/ great chemistry....since 2000 has had an All Star team w/ no chemistry....it'll be better for the MFY when Steinberger is out of the day to day....he had to have Sheff, A-Rod, Johnson etc etc...

Exactly, i think that their poor performance has a lot to do with chemistry, not just Torre

 

EDIT: this post just put me at the 350 mark! yay major leaguer!

[VA Sox Fan]

Exactly, i think that their poor performance has a lot to do with chemistry, not just Torre

 

EDIT: this post just put me at the 350 mark! yay major leaguer!

 

Congrats on 350 and making it to the Majors!!!

[Plumpamania]

Exactly, i think that their poor performance has a lot to do with chemistry, not just Torre

 

 

But isn't that Torre's calling. As a clubhouse God, and working the lines between the clubhouse and St. George?

 

Seriously Torre has done so little with so much.

[TheRivernator]

But isn't that Torre's calling. As a clubhouse God, and working the lines between the clubhouse and St. George?

 

Seriously Torre has done so little with so much.

 

chemistry is overrated and actually assinine...

[Plumpamania]

chemistry is overrated and actually assinine...

 

 

Then Joe Torre being even a good manager is actually assinine...

[TheRivernator]

Then Joe Torre being even a good manager is actually assinine...

 

Torre is a great clubhouse manager, but I will certainly agree that his in game decisions boggle the mind....

[Sizzlin22]

Here's my opinon on Tito, he's an alright manager and a pretty good fit for the Sox. A quiet, not too over the top, never really gets heated, players manager which is key, because with the personalities on the Sox we need a a players manager.

 

My only real problem with him is he can not manage a pitching staff to save his life. It really is terrible. I'm an optimistic guy, and try to see the logic in almost every move that the Red Sox make. But there were points in the last season where Tito made some pitching moves where I'm STILL scratching ym head about. It jsut really makes no sense at all. Obviously there are some variables that I may not know and he does which would make him make such moves, but still some of them were jsut terrible.

 

Lucky for us, assuming Foulke comes back to form and Hansen develops well enough we should have a pretty strong bullpen and it should be hard for Tito to screw it up.

 

Tito is a pretty good manager for the Sox and I dont complain too much. On a side note Torre was a fantastic manager in the 90's and I believe all the ego on that Yankees team that has built up over the years has really taken a toll on him. It really wouldn't shock me to seem him retire at the end of the season.

[nueva]

Haha, it almost always comes early. I love de Bashing.

[Plumpamania]

Torre is a great clubhouse manager, but I will certainly agree that his in game decisions boggle the mind....

 

 

But you just said chemistry is overrated, therefor being a clubhouse manager means little. And he is pretty mind boggling with game decisions.

[riverside sluggers]

Lucky for us, assuming Foulke comes back to form and Hansen develops well enough we should have a pretty strong bullpen and it should be hard for Tito to screw it up.

 

Tito is a pretty good manager for the Sox and I dont complain too much. On a side note Torre was a fantastic manager in the 90's and I believe all the ego on that Yankees team that has built up over the years has really taken a toll on him. It really wouldn't shock me to seem him retire at the end of the season.

 

True and as much as I wanted Bradford & Myers to stay. Tito will have now a seemingly easier time to decide the matchups as he has relief pitchers like Riske who can get out lefties but still keep in them when a righty comes up to the plate.

[Rosey]

MJ-->

Torre is a great clubhouse manager, but I will certainly agree that his in game decisions boggle the mind....

 

 

But you just said chemistry is overrated, therefor being a clubhouse manager means little. And he is pretty mind boggling with game decisions.

 

 

For the longest time Riv...you had Fire Torre in your signature last season. Now he's a great?

 

You also use the word cohesive a lot and say chemistry is overrated all the time.

 

I can only guess that when you say cohesiveness...you means cohesive tasks. Not meaning social cohesivness. Is this right?

 

But then again some belive that to be able to have a cohesive task relationship between two ppl, there must be some kind of chemistry. I'm not sure how your using the word.

[TheMeanWalrus]

Seriously Torre has done so little with so much.

 

 

True words were never spoken, Plump