Rudy Seanez

[stocker323]

According to Foxsports's Ken Rosenthal, who has been very accurate in reporting breaking deals this winter, the Sox are close to signing right handed relief pitcher Rudy Seanez to a 1 year contract.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5173662

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Yeah, i saw this in the Offseason thread. Same article too. lol

[yankeessuck013]

I posted this in another thread

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98406#post98406

 

He's a good pitcher, Low risk/high reward type depending on the contract

[yankeessuck013]

LRP- DiNardo

MRP- Bradford

MRP- Seanez

MRP- ?

SU- Mota

SU- Timlin

CP- Foulke

 

still think we need one more solid option, probably coming in the wells trade.

[schillingouttheks]

Or, it could be Arroyo depending on future moves for starters.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Don't forget Delcarmen. Maybe Hansen too.

[Beckett95]

"We're quite close to getting something done with Boston," said Seanez's agent, David Schwartz of CSMG Sports. "It's looking very good that something likely will get done at some point in the next few days. In principle, we're almost there." Dec. 17 - 6:19 pm et

nice low risk, possbile high reward guy. He had a great year last year with the Padres.

7-1 2.68 ERA 61 IP 18 er 85 K 22 BB

hes been a pretty solid RP his career but he has had many injury problems. Last year was the first year in his career he threw 60 innings. If he does get injured, we still have Delcarmen ready. Good move by the Sox.

[26 to 6]

The Sox might just stick with the 6 you have listed. Its always a burden on the bench when you carry 12 pitchers.

[SuperManny]

The Sox really do need another pitcher who is pitching 40 so this deal is great :thumbsup: Does anyone know if they've contacted John Franco to help round out the staff. I mean they might be able to get a group discount at AARP :harhar:

 

alright sarcasm aside though if this deal is worth over $1 million for 1 year - which it almost certainly will be its not a good deal. The man is going to be 38 this year and we really dont need another pitcher whos pushing 40 on this team. His ERA last year was good but heavily influenced by the fact that SD is a great pitchers park that is really hard to his HR in. His ERA at home was something like 1.75 wth a road ERA around 3.75. Still solid road numbers but hes another year older and the AL East is not the NL West. You can add another 1+ runs to his ERA moving to the AL East if he comes here. Ive also heard that he is looking for a multiyear deal which is just crazy to give him at this point in my mind. Oh yeah and 2005 was the first time in his career he pitched over 60 innings - hes a real workhorse

[riverside sluggers]

Well thats an optimistic post if I ever heard one...

 

Yeah okkkk, cool Sox fan for making fun of this guy like that before the season even starts. How is a 1 season contract being offered to him a bad deal? This is good move by the Sox to bolster their pitching staff. If you saw his career stats, you would see 9 out of his 16 seasons he has produced ERAs of under 4.

 

And no not eveyrone of their pitching staff is pushing 40. Schilling, Wakefield, Timlin, and Seanez are the only ones out of the 11/12 man staff.

 

Boston Herald: Seanez’s fastball was clocked consistently in the mid-90s last season with the San Diego Padres. He also has a changeup in the high 80s and an above-average slider. Since the 2004 All-Star break, Seanez has posted a 2.59 ERA with 121 strikeouts and just 33 walks in 93innings. He’s made 86 appearances during that span.

 

Whether or not closer Keith Foulke can return to his 2004 form remains a question, so the Red Sox are actively padding the back end of their bullpen with as many effective options as they can. Guillermo Mota, who came over in the Josh Beckett trade with Florida, was one answer, and Seanez is another. Each of them will help take the burden off the shoulders of 39-year-old Mike Timlin, who made 81 appearances last year and 76 the year before. This will be Seanez’s second stop in Boston.He made nine appearances with the Red Sox in 2003, posting a 6.23 ERA in nine games.

 

Coming off an injury that season, Seanez’ health has taken a marked turn for the better the last couple of years, as he’s embarked in a training regimen that includes Brazilian jujitsu and boxing.

[ksushi]

Hansen is a lock to be in the bullpen, i dont understand the apprehension on this guy, hes a complete stud, huge kid with a pin point 98 mph fastball and a slider that gammons said reminds him of lidge. lidge. brad lidge has arguably the best slider in the majors. this kid will be in the pen. him, seanez, timlin and mota makes a very nice set up crew, but I have the sneaking feeling that foulke will start the year setting up for either timlin or mota.

 

edit, yeah how can you say everyone is pushing 40? first of all, you need veterans on a team, veteran presence is key, but look at this team right now dinardo arroyo, papelbon, hansen, delcarmen, and beckett, are all under 30, and mota clement and bradford under 35. This is not an old team by any stretch.

 

Wakefield is a knuckleballer, knuckleballers can pitch forever and usually get better with age. Could explain his excellent year last year. He commanded his knuck last year like i've only seen him do it on rare occasions in past years. He's not old yet.

[riverside sluggers]

The question now is: Will the Sox still be seeking in return for Wells, a top setup man? Previous reports had Sox seeking Otsuka or even Linebrink from the Padres in return for their dis-pleasured pitcher. Wells could end up retiring or Boston could have a slight possibility of keeping Boomer for his last season on the contract.

 

Current Bullpen

Long Innings Relief could go to Papelbon or Arroyo. DiNardo has a considerable shot if Arroyo is traded away

Righty outs-Chad Bradford

Setup Men- Guillermo Mota

Mike Timlin

Rusy Seanez (fallback plan to take over closing duties)

Closer- Keith Foulke

 

According to Gordon Edes and several other reports, the Sox want Hansen and DelCarmen to start the season off in Triple A to work on their mechanics

[schillingouttheks]

I personally think that Papelbon should be a full time starter. Arroyo and Clement are too shaky, and Wells is too old to try to be patient with for another year. I think Wells gets traded, and POSSIBLY one of these two: Clement/Arroyo (Preferably, to me, Clement). Arroyo could take Pap's place in the bullpen, and when we ship Wells off somewhere, like I believe we should, we could combine him with Shoppach or another prospect and ask for Khalil Greene in return to play SS, as rumors are that the Padres are pursuing Alex Gonzalez anyway. (I personally believe he has a lot of upside.) Clement, if not traded, would take the 5th spot in the rotation. I think our bullpen is fine as it is right now, and shortstop is a must-fill position immediately. Also, back to the topic at hand, I'm not big on signing Saenez. I believe we should give Hansen a shot as a setup man, and if Foulke busts, hand him the closer role.

 

Schill

Beckett

Wake

Papelbon

Clement

 

DiNardo

Arroyo

Bradford

Mota

Timlin

Hansen

Foulke

[ORS]

There seems to be no shortage of pitching on the 40-man right now. Wells for Roberts is looking more and more likely. He starts in CF if JD goes turncoat and dons pinstripes, or he's a good option for 4th OF/Nixon platoon-mate if Johnny is back next year. Either way, he's someone that fills a need, and the Soxs have to trade Wells if he's saying he'll retire if not traded. I've read reports of Boomer being on SD sports-radio stations saying just that.

[ORS]

I personally think that Papelbon should be a full time starter. Arroyo and Clement are too shaky, and Wells is too old to try to be patient with for another year. I think Wells gets traded, and one of these two: Clement/Arroyo (Preferably, to me, Clement). Arroyo could take Pap's place in the bullpen, and when we ship Wells off somewhere, like I believe we should, we could combine him with Shoppach or another prospect and ask for Khalil Greene in return to play SS, as rumors are that the Padres are pursuing Alex Gonzalez anyway. (I personally believe he has a lot of upside.) I think our bullpen is fine as it is right now, and shortstop is a must-fill position immediately.

The Khalil Greene idea is interesting. However, I wouldn't want to package Shopp in that deal. I think he has more value to us on the roster than he does in the trade market, so we should keep him. If we let him go, then we are looking at Huckaby every 5th game, and his offensive #'s stink. At least Shopp has some potential to do something at the plate for us. Plus, he's rated good defensively.

[stocker323]

It seems like all the Wells talk has subsided a bit which makes me believe that the possibility that he may stay in Boston for one more year. That being said I still look for the Sox to trade him in February before Spring Training starts, I think they'll trade him to San Diego but I don't think we'll get as much back as a lot of us are hoping for.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I personally think that Papelbon should be a full time starter. Arroyo and Clement are too shaky, and Wells is too old to try to be patient with for another year. I think Wells gets traded, and one of these two: Clement/Arroyo (Preferably, to me, Clement). Arroyo could take Pap's place in the bullpen, and when we ship Wells off somewhere, like I believe we should, we could combine him with Shoppach or another prospect and ask for Khalil Greene in return to play SS, as rumors are that the Padres are pursuing Alex Gonzalez anyway. (I personally believe he has a lot of upside.) Clement, if not traded, would take the 5th spot in the rotation. I think our bullpen is fine as it is right now, and shortstop is a must-fill position immediately. Also, back to the topic at hand, I'm not big on signing Saenez. I believe we should give Hansen a shot as a setup man, and if Foulke busts, hand him the closer role.

 

Schill

Beckett

Wake

Papelbon

Clement

 

DiNardo

Arroyo

Bradford

Mota

Timlin

Hansen

Foulke

 

This what I don't get. I understand and agree with the Hanley deal. By why on earth would you trade Renteria ( and pay deffered salary of 11 million (?) to lazy to look up, BTW nobody seems to mention ) without having a deal in place ? So now we're loaded with corner infielders, got at least two players ( also maybe Clement , Bronson - nobody feels real well about being mentioned in trade rumors ), we got a "potential" all-star minor prosprect( that maybe damaged ). We now have increased our payroll, haven't addressed our needs CF( can't sign Johnny ) , LF ( assuming Manny goes ), RF ( has anyone heard if Trot had the surgery that "he needed " ), SS ( we traded our " must have/ Gold Glove SS and his "heir apparent " ), 1st base ( no stud, let's try somebody that played third ). We have glaring needs that other teams and agents are aware of ( which happen to be be key positions ), we've raided, and seem willing to further raid our prospects ( no wonder why Theo left ), and increased our payroll.

[riverside sluggers]

we got a "potential" all-star minor prosprect( that maybe damaged ).

 

According to the Boston Globe in a recent report, Marte needing Tommy John surgery was shot down very quickly as false. I'll try to find the link

[schillingouttheks]

This what I don't get. I understand and agree with the Hanley deal. By why on earth would you trade Renteria ( and pay deffered salary of 11 million (?) to lazy to look up, BTW nobody seems to mention ) without having a deal in place ? So now we're loaded with corner infielders, got at least two players ( also maybe Clement , Bronson - nobody feels real well about being mentioned in trade rumors ), we got a "potential" all-star minor prosprect( that maybe damaged ). We now have increased our payroll, haven't addressed our needs CF( can't sign Johnny ) , LF ( assuming Manny goes ), RF ( has anyone heard if Trot had the surgery that "he needed " ), SS ( we traded our " must have/ Gold Glove SS and his "heir apparent " ), 1st base ( no stud, let's try somebody that played third ). We have glaring needs that other teams and agents are aware of ( which happen to be be key positions ), we've raided, and seem willing to further raid our prospects ( no wonder why Theo left ), and increased our payroll.

Man, I totally understand where you are coming from. I thought that SAME EXACT THING with the Renteria deal. But looking at what's in front of us....there was no set deal. I still stand by the fact that I think this was a terrible trade. Like you said, we're overstacked on corner infielders, we have no SS now, no CF, increased salary, and whatnot. In my view, we need a SS quick. And the management needs to find a good replacement before this trade comes into question even more.

[ORS]

I can understand your concern about the Renteria trade, SFoC. It does create another hole in an offseason filled with uncertainty at several positions. But, the trade does make sense for a club that is trying to build a powerhouse for the future while maintaining some competitiveness for the present.

 

Marte is a cornerstone-type prospect, and will be a big addition to a team who's farm system is deep in middle-of-the-field position players and pitching but is defficient in corner-power.

 

As far as replacing Renteria goes, my best guess to their rationale would involve considering how poorly Renteria played last year. He had a horrible year defensively (-21 FRAA), and an average year offensively (.259 EqA; league average is set at .260), yet the Sox won 95 games despite getting only 1.8 WARP from him. If he was so bad, yet they still won games, then it's understandable for them to think that he was an expendable part of the teams composition.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I can understand your concern about the Renteria trade, SFoC. It does create another hole in an offseason filled with uncertainty at several positions. But, the trade does make sense for a club that is trying to build a powerhouse for the future while maintaining some competitiveness for the present.

 

Marte is a cornerstone-type prospect, and will be a big addition to a team who's farm system is deep in middle-of-the-field position players and pitching but is defficient in corner-power.

 

As far as replacing Renteria goes, my best guess to their rationale would involve considering how poorly Renteria played last year. He had a horrible year defensively (-21 FRAA), and an average year offensively (.259 EqA; league average is set at .260), yet the Sox won 95 games despite getting only 1.8 WARP from him. If he was so bad, yet they still won games, then it's understandable for them to think that he was an expendable part of the teams composition.

 

I undestand this, however with this done and the availablility of current acquisitions ( trade or free agent ), I think we've managed to put ourselves in a vunerable position to get screwed. I think it is fairly well known that the Sox prefer a top shortstop ( defensively, offensively or both ).

[ORS]

Of course they do, I think everyone can agree that a top anything is preferable. That said, I see no reason why Cora and Machado can't surpass 1.8 WARP next year, which gives the team exactly what it got this year, plus one of the top prospects in the game.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Of course they do, I think everyone can agree that a top anything is preferable. That said, I see no reason why Cora and Machado can't surpass 1.8 WARP next year, which gives the team exactly what it got this year, plus one of the top prospects in the game.

Just a slight aside, could you add to the terms and definiations post to help the site :

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?p=75400#post75400

[ORS]

Sure, no problem, give me a few minutes because I'm going to cut-and-paste from BaseballProspectus.com, as they have a glossary for their metrics.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Sure, no problem, give me a few minutes because I'm going to cut-and-paste from BaseballProspectus.com, as they have a glossary for their metrics.

Thanks

[SuperManny]

Well thats an optimistic post if I ever heard one...

 

Yeah okkkk, cool Sox fan for making fun of this guy like that before the season even starts. How is a 1 season contract being offered to him a bad deal? This is good move by the Sox to bolster their pitching staff. If you saw his career stats, you would see 9 out of his 16 seasons he has produced ERAs of under 4.

 

And no not eveyrone of their pitching staff is pushing 40. Schilling, Wakefield, Timlin, and Seanez are the only ones out of the 11/12 man staff.

 

I wasnt making fun of the guy - I was saying I would rather not have him on the team unless its an extremely low contract which is completely oposite of what has been rumored. I guess its only okay to rip on players once they've been on the team for a little while? BTW if you look at his stats he has had an ERA under 4 - 7 times not 9.

 

1989 - 3.60 ERA - 5 IP

1994 - 2.66 ERA - 24.2 IP

1998 - 2.75 ERA - 36.0 IP

1999 - 3.35 ERA - 54.2 IP

2001 - 2.75 ERA - 36.0 IP

2004 - 3.33 ERA - 46.0 IP

2005 - 2.69 ERA - 60.1 IP

 

Not really the model of consistency with the under 4 ERA usually coming several years apart besides for 98-99 and 04-05. He has spent a good deal of time in the NL and that just scares me about him being able to pitch in the AL. His time in the AL has included:

 

1989 - 3.60 ERA - 5.0 IP

1990 - 5.60 ERA - 27.1 IP

1991 - 16.20 ERA - 5.0 IP

2002 - 5.73 ERA - 33.0 IP

2003 - 6.23 ERA - 9.2 IP

2004 - 3.91 ERA - 23 IP

 

Plus SD is an extreme pitchers park which is why his home/road splits were so dramatic last year. I just cant see him being sucessful in the AL East at age 38. Im not trying to make fun of the guy - I just dont think he can really help the team. I would rather have the extra bullpen spot for a youngster who has potential.

[riverside sluggers]

I guess its only okay to rip on players once they've been on the team for a little while?

 

Did I say that its ok to bash players once theyve been on the team for a little while? No I didnt. All Im saying is you gotta give the guy a chance, and not right away assume him to be a 2006 bullpen casualty.

[schillingouttheks]

and not right away assumer him to be a Remlinger, Halamma, Blain Neal, Embree, Mantei, Foulke of 05-- all rolled up into one.

That would be one helluva rolled up blunt. Jeeeeeeeeez.

 

Just kidding. And no, I don't smoke.

[YanksHater213]

Haha, what the hell riverside, why would you bother changing your posts after he quotes it and comments on your quote...

[schillingouttheks]

It's okay...I wasn't implying that you smoke pot or anythnig Riverside, sorry if it came out that way..