Opening Day SS (Predictions)

[MC Hammer]

Orioles wouldnt trade him within the division.

 

 

If I was a Sox fan I would want the ex franchise player back, Nomar. Speculation that the Sox are trying to get Cabrera, if none of those 2 then I think Pokey would work well.

The only reason to bring Nomar back would be for sentiment and sentiment doesn't win championships.

 

Every time this gets brought up you're going to get the same response. Try listening to it ... absorbing it ... and realizing it is the truth. Nomar left on bad terms, and will NOT be brought back.

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Orioles wouldnt trade him within the division.QUOTE]

 

July 29, 1988: Boston Red Sox trade Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson to the Baltimore Orioles for Mike Boddicker.

 

it could happen...

Back then trades between teams in the same division were more common due to the fact that there were only 2 divisions per league, didnt really have much of a choice. And btw, that wasnt much of a significant deal (at the time I mean, it was a bunch of nobodys), so it didnt really matter, that type of deal would still happen today...but Tejada is a huge deal, it wont happen.

[ksushi]

The only legitimate deal is Manny for Tejada and that only makes sense because they both want to leave and they both have obsene contracts.

 

this will not happen. the sox will not deal their future, if youve paid attention the sox want to keep their prospects and will not deal them away for one or two shots at a world series when they are fairly confident they may have stumbled on to the makings of dare I say, a dynasty? No, I'm not so bold, but I do think they have stumbled on a team that will compete for many many years and could at some point win in back to back years with the power bullpen developing and the young staff currently loading up. Marte will be a marque hitter backing a rotation of Beckett Papelbon and Lester 3 years from now with Hansen slamming the door. I would not trade that for Tejada.

[Manny Goes Boom]

The only legitimate deal is Manny for Tejada and that only makes sense because they both want to leave and they both have obsene contracts.

 

this will not happen. the sox will not deal their future, if youve paid attention the sox want to keep their prospects and will not deal them away for one or two shots at a world series when they are fairly confident they may have stumbled on to the makings of dare I say, a dynasty? No, I'm not so bold, but I do think they have stumbled on a team that will compete for many many years and could at some point win in back to back years with the power bullpen developing and the young staff currently loading up. Marte will be a marque hitter backing a rotation of Beckett Papelbon and Lester 3 years from now with Hansen slamming the door. I would not trade that for Tejada.

 

Yeah thats the only legit deal, but even then I don't like it (hey I'm bais, sue me) but I think if either team wants to trade one of them, they want to get rid of their large contracts, unless they are cancerous to the clubhouse (like T.O. was to the Eagles) and I don't think either one is a clubhouse cancer.

 

And I agree with you that trading our future for one guy is not a great idea. I would not do it either.

[Varitek33]

I gotta admit I would like it if Nomah came back............

[ksushi]

yeah, I'd pay a guy 5 million a year to hurt his groin and not even come sit on the bench. I'd love to.

[DirtDog]

yeah, I'd pay a guy 5 million a year to hurt his groin and not even come sit on the bench. I'd love to.

 

Why the hell do you care about the money? You're not paying them, we already have a payroll of 150 million or so who cares for 5 more million for one year?

 

IMO, the reward is >>>>>>>>>>>>> than the risk.

[The CUP]

if we can get miggy then do it if it takes many then do it there are better player availible at LF then a SS like a trade for dunn or jones form the twins

 

damon

loretta

papi

miggy

dunn

lowell

varitek

nixon

youk

wow that looks good probally wishfull thinking though

[ksushi]

Why the hell do you care about the money? You're not paying them, we already have a payroll of 150 million or so who cares for 5 more million for one year?

 

IMO, the reward is >>>>>>>>>>>>> than the risk.

 

actually, champ, there payroll is going to be shaping up to be more around the 110 mark than 150. And i care because i love my sox and don't want them throwing away money on a s***** shortstop like garciaparra. Thats right, he is s*****. As a utility man, hes good, as a fully time shortstop there is no chance for him to be effective. To improve the pitching they are better off either leaving the job to Cora or signing a Gonzalez. Garciaparra's risk is ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>" than the reward. So, that is why the hell I care.

[ahhchon]

actually, champ, there payroll is going to be shaping up to be more around the 110 mark than 150. And i care because i love my sox and don't want them throwing away money on a s***** shortstop like garciaparra. Thats right, he is s*****. As a utility man, hes good, as a fully time shortstop there is no chance for him to be effective. To improve the pitching they are better off either leaving the job to Cora or signing a Gonzalez. Garciaparra's risk is ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>" than the reward. So, that is why the hell I care.

 

bingo!

 

morons want nomar back. yeah, we shat on him but he was such a baby about the whole issue. he left on such a sour note, he'll never come back, just like clemens.

 

you obviously are not really a sox fan. a true fan embraces the team, becomes part of the team. for every extra million they spend something goes up in fenway. with a 150mill payroll tickets are going to increase. fenway park is among the highest priced ballparks to go to. an average day for 4 costs upwards for 250 dollars. not everyone can afford that. there are poor people who want to go see the sox too. we have shown that we don't need to sign the best players to win. a better example is the marlins a few years ago. produce your own talent, that's what good organizations do. the yankees did it, that's why they had the dynasty, they started to "buy" players and haven't produced a championship since.

 

as for miggy, i don't see him coming to the sox. manny for miggy straight up would be very close, but the o's are not stupid. you are taking on a older player that plays a position that is more easily replaced, not to mention manny does not cover a lot of range in the field. it would essentially be a downgrade for the orioles defensively and an upgrade offensively. but is it worth the extra 8 mill they'll be spending? nope.

 

john

[Beckett95]

todays been really quiet. i think there were only 1 or 2 moves today

[ahhchon]

beckett95, how old are you? 13?

 

john

[Beckett95]

beckett95, how old are you? 13?

 

john

 

16........

[ahhchon]

your spelling is awful for a 16 year old, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

john

[SuperManny]

okay i know there is about 1% chance of Nomar coming back but on the FA market who is a better option right now? I would risk a 2 year deal with incentives - hell I doubt he could do much worse than Renti did this year. Probably outhit him but have less errors and less range. If he only ends up playing 120 or so games its still better than 160 of Cora

[ORS]

Nomar's WARP1 last year was 0.9 in 62 games, which prorates to 2.17 over 150 games (it's a generous assumption to suggest he plays that often given the fact that he has averaged 72 games the last two years). Cora's WARP1 was 1.4 in 96 games, which prorates to 2.19 over 150 games.

 

The huge gamble with Nomar is whether or not he will be able to turn back the clock and play like he did from 1997-2003, where he averaged 7.82 WARP1 (excluding his injury shortened 2001 season). Given his injury history, and his increasing age, I have a hard time believing he will ever get close to that level of performance.

 

If the Sox truly want a SS that will provide a passable level of production at the plate, while playing average to above average defense, then Cora is a possible answer. In a small sample of 35 games at SS last year, he produced a Rate and Rate2 of 118. His career averages are right around league average.

 

Nomar@BP.com

Cora@BP.com

[ahhchon]

Nomar's WARP1 last year was 0.9 in 62 games, which prorates to 2.17 over 150 games (it's a generous assumption to suggest he plays that often given the fact that he has averaged 72 games the last two years). Cora's WARP1 was 1.4 in 96 games, which prorates to 2.19 over 150 games.

 

The huge gamble with Nomar is whether or not he will be able to turn back the clock and play like he did from 1997-2003, where he averaged 7.82 WARP1 (excluding his injury shortened 2001 season). Given his injury history, and his increasing age, I have a hard time believing he will ever get close to that level of performance.

 

If the Sox truly want a SS that will provide a passable level of production at the plate, while playing average to above average defense, then Cora is a possible answer. In a small sample of 35 games at SS last year, he produced a Rate and Rate2 of 118. His career averages are right around league average.

 

Nomar@BP.com

Cora@BP.com

 

although i'm very happy to see stats like WARP appear i can't help myself but laugh. there is a better place for that stuff, i call it baseball.com aka netsports. i'de say a good 60% of the people here thinks soriano is awsome, 80% thinks that the rangers got ripped off in the trade, 95% don't understand that obp is much more important than average and 99.5% have absolutely no clue what warp, vorp, dips etc are.

 

john

[DirtDog]

actually, champ, there payroll is going to be shaping up to be more around the 110 mark than 150. And i care because i love my sox and don't want them throwing away money on a s***** shortstop like garciaparra. Thats right, he is s*****. As a utility man, hes good, as a fully time shortstop there is no chance for him to be effective. To improve the pitching they are better off either leaving the job to Cora or signing a Gonzalez. Garciaparra's risk is ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>" than the reward. So, that is why the hell I care.

 

 

Whatever, I don't follow baseball to talk about money and s***. I play baseball. I love the game. Nomar is a great player, contrary to popular belief. Hes better than freaking Edgar Renteria who with your logic is a f***ing abomination at 10 million dollars a year, while Nomar would be paid in only 5 million dollar range. Edgar made huge amounts of errors and was mediocre with the bat. I'm sorry, but Garciaparra is still one of the best shortstops in the game. At his best, he's an batting champion and in the field he is inconsistant but has a large range and can make great plays. If he stays healthy this season, he will perform no matter where he ends up. You can quote me on that.

 

Just because Nomar made comments abotu Boston and this and that I can see why you hate him now. But that does not subtract that hes still one of the best free agents out there no matter how far his stock has fallen. Open up your eyes and put away your hate.

[ORS]

Whatever, I don't follow baseball to talk about money and s***. I play baseball.

Well holy s***, you mean you actually play baseball. Well send your resume in to the Sox champ, you're a lock for the GM job.

 

FYI, a huge majority of baseball fans either play or have played the game in their lives, so you statement amounts to nothing special.

[The CUP]

yea i play baseball and still i know that unless nomar take a contract that is heavy on incentive then it would be stupid to go afta a guy who gets injured like hes paid for that. its just stupid he isn't commin back NEway our management doesnt want him

[SuperManny]

Nomar's WARP1 last year was 0.9 in 62 games, which prorates to 2.17 over 150 games (it's a generous assumption to suggest he plays that often given the fact that he has averaged 72 games the last two years). Cora's WARP1 was 1.4 in 96 games, which prorates to 2.19 over 150 games.

 

Considering how bad Renteria was last year with his 1.8 WARP1 I dont think the Nomar gamble would be that bad. And just so I get this straight - your telling me that a guy who has never been a fulltime SS (Cora) who hit .232 with .275 OBP and an OPS of slightly cracking .600 is a better option than Nomar? Even while injured in limited time Nomar hit .283 with .320 OBP and an OPS of .772.

 

Cora should not be an everyday player on this team - hes a good backup but I dont want to see a .600 OPS cracking our lineup if at all possible.

 

You can talk about Nomar's injuries all you want but last year was a freak thing that could happen to anyone. Before 2004 he played almost every game every year except when he got hit in the wrist. These arent injuries that are like arm problems or leg problems. They're freak things that shouldnt effect him going foward. Right now Nomar is the best option for SS on the market.

[ORS]

Considering how bad Renteria was last year with his 1.8 WARP1 I dont think the Nomar gamble would be that bad. And just so I get this straight - your telling me that a guy who has never been a fulltime SS (Cora) who hit .232 with .275 OBP and an OPS of slightly cracking .600 is a better option than Nomar? Even while injured in limited time Nomar hit .283 with .320 OBP and an OPS of .772.

 

Cora should not be an everyday player on this team - hes a good backup but I dont want to see a .600 OPS cracking our lineup if at all possible.

 

You can talk about Nomar's injuries all you want but last year was a freak thing that could happen to anyone. Before 2004 he played almost every game every year except when he got hit in the wrist. These arent injuries that are like arm problems or leg problems. They're freak things that shouldnt effect him going foward. Right now Nomar is the best option for SS on the market.

I have no doubt that Nomar will outperform Cora at the plate, and VORP, which is a purely offensive metric, would show that Nomar is a better option, but we are talking about filling the most impactful defensive positon on the field, and WARP1 incorporates both offensive and defensive contributions.

 

The question of whether or not Nomar is a better option than Cora boils down to what you expect Nomar's physical condition to be for the year. If you think his injury trouble is behind him, then he will, without question, be a better option than Alex Cora. However, I feel that injuries will continue to nag him and diminish his performance (he's played 81 games or less in 3 of the last 5 years), meaning that an equivalent option, in terms of total contribution, is already on the roster and will allow resources to be used filling other holes.

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there are better player availible at LF then a SS like a trade for dunn or jones form the twins

 

Normally I wouldnt do this, but you've been a prick so I have no choice...

 

Jones is a Free Agent DUMBASS, no need to trade for him. That is why you are not, nor never will be a General Manager, because you are willing to trade players to a team for NOTHING!!!!!!!!

 

 

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Becket95, you stole my avatar!

I took that exact same pic and sized it for an avatar last night and had planned on making it my av today, until I saw yours hahah

 

Only difference is that mine is a little bigger and has a black border.

[riverside sluggers]

With how Nomar and the Sox Front Office had left on terms, I really cant get my hopes up for him coming back to Boston.

 

The leading candidate is currently known to be former Marlin, Alex Gonzalez. Ive heard great things about his defense, especially the range he has. Downsides are he really lacks plate patience, never more than 33 walks in a season. And if signed, would probably start opening day as the #9 hitter.

[MC Hammer]

With how Nomar and the Sox Front Office had left on terms, I really cant get my hopes up for him coming back to Boston.

 

The leading candidate is currently known to be former Marlin, Alex Gonzalez. Ive heard great things about his defense, especially the range he has. Downsides are he really lacks plate patience, never more than 33 walks in a season. And if signed, would probably start opening day as the #9 hitter.

Well him hitting 9 really wont be a problem since we'd just flip our SS and 2B spots in the order from last year. Loretta will likely take over Rents 2 spot, and Alex will take over Tony G/Cora/Bellhorn's #9

[The CUP]

actually jones is a free agent retard and he is good defensivly as has some pop to his bat. ur telling me that manny and f******* alex gonsalez is better then tejada and jones, i dont think so

[BoSox Rule]

Why the hell do you care about the money? You're not paying them, we already have a payroll of 150 million or so who cares for 5 more million for one year?

 

IMO, the reward is >>>>>>>>>>>>> than the risk.

Our payroll is not $150 million.

[ahhchon]

actually jones is a free agent retard and he is good defensivly as has some pop to his bat. ur telling me that manny and f******* alex gonsalez is better then tejada and jones, i dont think so

 

if i still had my mod powers i would ban you immediately. read what the guy said, he said jones IS a free agent. you read that and repeated.

 

john

[ksushi]

Why isn't he banned? ^

[26 to 6]

actually jones is a free agent retard and he is good defensivly as has some pop to his bat. ur telling me that manny and f******* alex gonsalez is better then tejada and jones, i dont think so

You claimed that you could go and TRADE for Jones, I said that he was a Free Agent, dumbass. And dont deny it;

 

if we can get miggy then do it if it takes many then do it there are better player availible at LF then a SS like a trade for dunn or jones form the twins

 

Q. What do you have to say now?

A. NOTHING!!

 

Also, I myself would prefer Manny and Gonzalez over Jones and Tejada. But last time I checked Alex Gonzalez was still a FREE AGENT, not a member of the Boston Red Sox, so for all we know the Sox could go out and trade for a better SS or something.