Carlos Delgado for Manny Ramirez?

[riverside sluggers]

hmm...

 

Samson shrugs off talk of Delgado leaving

 

Carlos Delgado on Tuesday became the ninth player in baseball history with nine consecutive seasons of 30 or more homers. According to one report, Delgado may be trying to extend that streak elsewhere next season. In his ESPN Insider column, Peter Gammons suggested that if the Marlins do not make the playoffs the organization's financial losses would force them to trade Delgado. In addition, he mentioned the Marlins would seek to move him to the Mets before they could strike a deal for Boston's Manny Ramirez. Because at that same point Sox are interested in rolling out a lucrative Manny/Beltran deal. Delgado said he heard the report reiterated on ESPN Tuesday night. Asked about that scenario before Wednesday's game, team President David Samson rolled his eyes and snickered.

 

"Owner Jeffrey Loria has shown time and time again his desire to win year after year," Samson said. "He has shown his desire to have a competitive team. The reason why we never talk is the proof is always in the results, and it's far more powerful when actions speak without words." Added David Sloane, Delgado's Coral Springs-based agent: "We're at the mercy of what the Marlins choose to do or are able to do." Sloane added that Loria told him and Delgado last offseason he would anticipate nothing short of a "lynch-mob outside his office" if he traded Delgado after a productive season.

 

Nothing would preclude the Marlins from doing so before the four-year, $52 million contract he signed last offseason expires. Per team policy, that agreement did not include a no-trade clause. Though Delgado is one of two legitimate home run threats in the Marlins' lineup, his escalating salary is fueling the speculation. Delgado's back-loaded contract called for a $4 million commitment this season and salaries of $13.5 million in 2006, $14.4 million in 2007 and $16 million in 2008. The Marlins also have a $4 million buyout of a $12 million club option in 2009.

 

If traded, Delgado's earnings are subject to an increase to offset higher tax rates. Delgado, who had a full no-trade provision in his last deal with the Blue Jays, is somewhat protected in that only a handful of teams can afford him. Coupled with the tax equalization clause, his back-loaded deal makes it likely Delgado would land in a favorable situation if he ever is traded. "We didn't go in with our eyes closed," Delgado said.

 

Carlos Delgado is a career .246 hitter in 73 games at Fenway Park

 

Carlos Beltran in 19 games bats at .325 at the Fens

[mosox]

Delgado is trouble and too expensive. I doubt Theo has him on his radar.

[Sizzlin22]

Manny for Beltran would be absoloutly retarded. The only upside of getting rid of Manny is to get rid of his big salary. Trading Manny for Beltran would give us a worse hitter, for more money. Granted he does play good defense but I don't think he's worth his salary.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Manny for Beltran would be absoloutly retarded. The only upside of getting rid of Manny is to get rid of his big salary. Trading Manny for Beltran would give us a worse hitter, for more money. Granted he does play good defense but I don't think he's worth his salary.

 

By the way this should probably go in the rumor section but....

 

I'm not sure that I'm into moving Manny for Beltran based on the fact I want that money gone. However it would still be a huge decrease and I don't see too many flaws in Beltran. I wouldn't read too much into his play this year...he is still a fantastic baseball player. Certainly not the hitter Manny is but with that extra money the Sox could probably go after the likes of Burnett, Konerko, Damon, etc. Not all of them but maybe a couple who knows. I would love to see more pitching but with the situation in our farm system I think we are in decent shape there.

[fuckery]

bad trade.

 

keep manny

 

if not, i'd rather beltran the delgado any day of the week

[riverside sluggers]

what I would think a suitable trade, if one is done indeed Manny to the Mets, is to trade for starting pitcher Steve Traschel who had indicated in August he wanted out because he was being moved to the bullpen from manager reducing the rotation 5 from the original 6 plan, and Sox had at one time tried to pick him up this year. He can veto any trade this offseason, but I bet he wouldnt pass the Sox up. Sox would get quality innings eating pitcher, Mets would get a very good at bat power

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

what I would think a suitable trade, if one is done indeed Manny to the Mets, is to trade for starting pitcher Steve Traschel who had indicated in August he wanted out because he was being moved to the bullpen from manager reducing the rotation 5 from the original 6 plan, and Sox had at one time tried to pick him up this year. He can veto any trade this offseason, but I bet he wouldnt pass the Sox up. Sox would get quality innings eating pitcher, Mets would get a very good at bat power

 

Hmm...I dunno we have a bunch of pitching (nobody has stepped up of course). Schilling, Wells, Wakefield, Arroyo, Miller, Clement, Papelbon....I have no idea what the rotation will be next year but I think Trachsel fits right in to being average with a good portion of the guys we have now. If the Sox are going to add a pitcher it needs to be a top pitcher, not a "end of the rotation" guy. Lets just say the Sox can add Beltran then free up money to go get someone like Konerko and resign Damon (just saying "if"):

 

Damon

Youkilis

Beltran

Ortiz

Konerko

Nixon

Renteria

Varitek

Graffanino

 

....pretty good lineup...I would love to trade the likes of Renteria and Foulke to make way for Hansen and Pedroia/Ramirez but that might be tough with the money we owe them.

[yankeessuck013]

Hmm...I dunno we have a bunch of pitching (nobody has stepped up of course). Schilling, Wells, Wakefield, Arroyo, Miller, Clement, Papelbon....I have no idea what the rotation will be next year but I think Trachsel fits right in to being average with a good portion of the guys we have now. If the Sox are going to add a pitcher it needs to be a top pitcher, not a "end of the rotation" guy. Lets just say the Sox can add Beltran then free up money to go get someone like Konerko and resign Damon (just saying "if"):

 

Damon

Youkilis

Beltran

Ortiz

Konerko

Nixon

Renteria

Varitek

Graffanino

 

....pretty good lineup...I would love to trade the likes of Renteria and Foulke to make way for Hansen and Pedroia/Ramirez but that might be tough with the money we owe them.

 

#1 Sox are not gonna trade renteria......period

#2 if we do trade for beltran I highly doubt that we would resign damon, where would he play?

[riverside sluggers]

Note: Wells had signed a 1 season contract with an option to return... he is still mulling retirement and even Wade Miller is questionable for 2006 with the Sox

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

#1 Sox are not gonna trade renteria......period

#2 if we do trade for beltran I highly doubt that we would resign damon, where would he play?

 

No I'm aware they aren't going to trade him (nobody would pay that salary anyways). I was just saying I would like to see it happen. Damon could technically take Manny's spot but I dunno....I guess his noodle arm takes that idea away. No matter what happens I think this team will look very different.

[ORS]

A noodle arm makes more sense in left than in center at Fenway.

[yankeessuck013]

No I'm aware they aren't going to trade him (nobody would pay that salary anyways). I was just saying I would like to see it happen. Damon could technically take Manny's spot but I dunno....I guess his noodle arm takes that idea away. No matter what happens I think this team will look very different.

 

good point, damon might be able to play LF since it is shorter to home than center is, but would he be willing to?

[BoSox21]

if Manny is gonna be traded, we need a big bat to come to the Sox in that deal. Obviously it won't be a bat on the caliber of Manny but if it's done, we also need a big bat to replace another position, like first base therefore the only way I'd be happy with a Manny trade is if we manage to get a guy like Konerko as well

[MANNYHOF24]

I really dont think they will end up trading Manny, we here about every July and December but it never happens so i doubt it will this time, I will take the production from Manny even if he is in "Manny land" for parts of the season

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

werd

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

if Manny is gonna be traded, we need a big bat to come to the Sox in that deal. Obviously it won't be a bat on the caliber of Manny but if it's done, we also need a big bat to replace another position, like first base therefore the only way I'd be happy with a Manny trade is if we manage to get a guy like Konerko as well

 

If the Sox move Manny for Beltran and add the bat of Konerko....I'm ok with that. For some reason I think Konerko is a perfect fit in Boston and takes care of our 1B headache. I think Beltran is loaded with talent and always has been. Being protected by David Ortiz can only make him better and I love his defense and base stealing ability. I don't really know much about contracts but (I think) Beltran is somewhere around $10-$12 million a year and Manny is $20 million. That would save $10-$8 million which would allow us to keep a few free agents such as Bill Mueller and Johnny Damon. So now you would think the Sox are back to where they started....however, the Red Sox always make one big signing a year and it could be Konerko this year...I really like this lineup...

 

1. Damon

2. Diarrhea

3. Beltran

4. Ortiz

5. Konerko

6. Nixon

7. Varitek

8. Mueller

9. Graffanino

[26 to 6]

If the Sox move Manny for Beltran and add the bat of Konerko....I'm ok with that. For some reason I think Konerko is a perfect fit in Boston and takes care of our 1B headache. I think Beltran is loaded with talent and always has been. Being protected by David Ortiz can only make him better and I love his defense and base stealing ability. I don't really know much about contracts but (I think) Beltran is somewhere around $10-$12 million a year and Manny is $20 million. That would save $10-$8 million which would allow us to keep a few free agents such as Bill Mueller and Johnny Damon. So now you would think the Sox are back to where they started....however, the Red Sox always make one big signing a year and it could be Konerko this year...I really like this lineup...

 

1. Damon

2. Diarrhea

3. Beltran

4. Ortiz

5. Konerko

6. Nixon

7. Varitek

8. Mueller

9. Graffanino

that would be a hell of a lineup. Only suggestion I would have is to move Renteria to the bottom of the order and move everybody up one. Throughout his career, Beltran has had most of hsi success in the 2 spot, and as we've seen this year, hes not very good in the 3-hole. Just a suggestion

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

that would be a hell of a lineup. Only suggestion I would have is to move Renteria to the bottom of the order and move everybody up one. Throughout his career, Beltran has had most of hsi success in the 2 spot, and as we've seen this year, hes not very good in the 3-hole. Just a suggestion

 

oh....yes thats actually a perfect idea

[ORS]

I think Beltran is getting around $17 million a year, but I still would favor a move for him. Let's get young, be fast, and play good defense.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

While that would be wishful thinking, (what team doesn't want to get younger/faster/etc.?) I just hope if* Beltran did come to Boston he would not wilt under the constant media spotlight playing for another major market team. Then again...I'm sure alot of the blame for his dissapointing season can be blamed on unrealistic expectaction on carrying the team offensively whereas in Boston, he would have somewhat more protection in the lineup.

[MC Hammer]

http://www.all-baseball.com/firebrand/archives/020532.html

I was going to sit down and look at stats and make an arguement, but he already did it. If you want Beltran for Manny you wont after reading that.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

thanks for the link, but after reading the article and the comments below it, i still am kinda on board with letting manny go for beltran ONLY if we picked up another legitimate bat (preferably at 1st) to compensate offensively. i agree that with added defense + speed and better pitching, we won't need to score 5+ runs a game. plus come playoff time when your lineup is matched up against the better arms in the league, you're gonna need to win alot more 1 run games where defensive flexibility and pitching will play a more vital role.

 

just my 2 cents...

 

p.s. i know we're don't have the yanks budget and the aforementioned scenario probably won't happen, but thats the only way i can see parting with manny.

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

Am I the only one who would prefer Delgado over Beltran? As in, I would trade Manny for Delgado, sign Preston Wilson(1 yr contract ) & Damon ...

 

1. Damon

 

2.Edgar

 

3.Ortiz

 

4.Wilson (LF or RF)

 

5.Delgado

 

6.Tek

 

7.Trot

 

8.Mueller/Youk

 

9.Graff

 

 

* Not bad ...

[soxie thefangirl]

How about leave Manny be?

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

well delgado's age and injuries imho do not make him as attractive as beltran, but given that he's played in the al-east prior to this year, he might be more comfortable going back...but i haven't heard anything from fla to suggest they would part with him.

 

as for leaving manny alone, well i would advocate just that unless the right package + free agent signing came along, but alot of the trade talk was brought up by him either directly (requesting trade) or indirectly (his behavior when he takes a trip to planet manny-land).

[MC Hammer]

Am I the only one who would prefer Delgado over Beltran? As in, I would trade Manny for Delgado, sign Preston Wilson(1 yr contract ) & Damon ...

 

1. Damon

 

2.Edgar

 

3.Ortiz

 

4.Wilson (LF or RF)

 

5.Delgado

 

6.Tek

 

7.Trot

 

8.Mueller/Youk

 

9.Graff

 

 

* Not bad ...

 

Ortiz would break BB's walk record with that lineup. He goes from Manny protecting him ... to Preston Wilson.

[soxie thefangirl]

Manny doesn't want to leave. The reason he is always requesting a trade is because he knows the organization doesn't want him here.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

yes and no...i think his ungodly contract is the real motivation behind him always being either mentioned in a trade or put through waivers, but personally i think he is legitimately tired of the lack of privacy as it relates to him & his family coming from the media-specifically & therefore why he responded by asking for a trade, though its not like whatever big-market team that could afford him (i.e. ny) wouldn't have similar media attention that he is tryin to avoid...

[MANNYHOF24]

I really think trading Manny would be a huge mistake, just take the antics and the numbers and let him finish the contract he signed

[riverside sluggers]

im not sure if its been said before or not, what about rockies' 1st baseman Todd Helton?