Red Sox Vs. Yanks Starting rotation

[MC Hammer]

Wakefield is leading the starters in wins, ERA, innings pitched and is a close second in strike outs, and he kills the Yankees. Sounds like the ace to me.

Sorry guy but the world does not revolve around the Yankees. Just because he is good against the Yankees doesn't mean that he's the ace of the staff. Anyway, the only time the order of the rotation really matters is the playoffs, and we wont be seeing the Yankees there, will we?

[riverside sluggers]

wake has been performing like the ace as of late, his last 4 straight wins have been great to see

[bobby jr]

It was 10 in a row but the Red Sox went 34-12 from this point on for the rest of the season last year. Do you expect that kind of success with your pitching this year?

 

The Red Sox team ERA is the worst it’s been since 1997, that was the year before Pedro arrived. Oddly enough Tim Wakefield was your Ace in 1997 like this year.

 

The Yankees starting pitching is extremely shaky. Mussina is nowhere near the pitcher he used to be, neither is Randy Johnson. And even Rivera is starting to show he is vulnerable at just the wrong time of the year.

[elsrbueno]

Sorry guy but the world does not revolve around the Yankees. Just because he is good against the Yankees doesn't mean that he's the ace of the staff. Anyway, the only time the order of the rotation really matters is the playoffs, and we wont be seeing the Yankees there, will we?

 

Wow dude, what the hell are you talking about? The Yankees are only 1.5 games out of the Wild Card, and 3.5 behind us. Considering that we have no closer and a suspect rotation, in what fantasy land do you see us walking away with the division?

 

The Yankees have a VERY good chance of making the playoffs. Anyone who STILL thinks they don't is fooling themselves.

[riverside sluggers]

"wow dude" Yankees had a 10 game winning streak in May and then faltered to a 6 game losing streak, "wow dude" they had a 1/2 game lead for a day in July but fell back on their asses like Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson do after throwing against tampa bay. this is just so far another nice little streak yanks have put together---Besidfes what the f*** ever, sox lose one game and suddenly thats the entire season for them, still seeing for this road trip sox taking last 2 games of detroit series, at least splitting the Angels series, then bar a miracle for the royals the sox will make their second sweep of them this season. coming back to home where they feast best, from a 7-3 road trip

[riverside sluggers]

another interesting thing to note, Sox who are second in majors with best homestand of 38-18 play 24 out of their last 45 games at home. Yankees who have a losing record in away games this season, play 25 out of their last 44 games away from the House that Ruth built.

[MC Hammer]

"wow dude" Yankees had a 10 game winning streak in May and then faltered to a 6 game losing streak, "wow dude" they had a 1/2 game lead for a day in July but fell back on their asses like Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson do after throwing against tampa bay. this is just so far another nice little streak yanks have put together---Besidfes what the f*** ever, sox lose one game and suddenly thats the entire season for them, still seeing for this road trip sox taking last 2 games of detroit series, at least splitting the Angels series, then bar a miracle for the royals the sox will make their second sweep of them this season. coming back to home where they feast best, from a 7-3 road trip

Thank you.

 

If you honestly think that the Yankees will overtake the Sox in this division then you are not a Red Sox fan, and I will kindly ask you to get the hell off this board. Now, "wow dude", if you think the Yankees are gonna catch the A's, and stay ahead of the Guardians(who have a 2nd half schedule as easy as the Yankees did in the first half) then you're kidding yourself.

 

The Yankees have 1, ONE, starting pitcher that has lived up to expectations this year. ONE. Moose is the only pitcher on the Yankees staff right now that I would be worried about. RJ isn't the same old RJ, that's obvious, and everyone else is hurt. Yeah Wright made one start, woohoo, he'll be hurt by Friday.

[yankeessuck013]

as I've been saying elsrbueno is an undercover yankee fan. I only see him come on after we lose a game.

[yankeessuck013]

Wow dude, what the hell are you talking about? The Yankees are only 1.5 games out of the Wild Card, and 3.5 behind us. Considering that we have no closer and a suspect rotation, in what fantasy land do you see us walking away with the division?

 

The Yankees have a VERY good chance of making the playoffs. Anyone who STILL thinks they don't is fooling themselves.

 

Fat chance, we will win this division crap pitching and all because we don't lose at fenway in august and september period.

[elsrbueno]

as I've been saying elsrbueno is an undercover yankee fan. I only see him come on after we lose a game.

 

Are you kidding me? I'm here every single day, regardless of the outcome of the Sox game.

 

You guys always turn my words around. What I said was that the Red Sox are NOT going to walk away with the division. The fact that the Yankees have hung right behind us despite the fact that their rotation has been desimated by injuries and bad performances shows that if they get some combination of their waiver wire pitchers to throw well, they'll be right back in business.

 

They are easily within striking distance of a playoff spot. You guys are WAY TOO CONFIDENT considering that one slump could put the Red Sox out of the playoff picture.

 

The Red Sox have been playing HORRIBLE baseball the past 2 weeks. The pitching, both starters and relievers, have been suspect. They have a good record because the offense has bailed them out, but they can't continue to make the errors and give up the hits and EXPECT to win. They have to tighten up their game or they'll be in deep s***.

[yeszir]

Els is not a yankee fan, that's a pretty funny statement though. He's right though, the sox aren't invincible. Bronson gave up 10 hits last night to the TIGERS, and we can't close out games for our life.

[riverside sluggers]

again i say not all starters have been bad, wakefield has won his last straight 4 starts and is 3-0 in August a 3-0 record with a 3.32 ERA, 23 Ks, just one walk

[elsrbueno]

again i say not all starters have been bad, wakefield has won his last straight 4 starts and is 3-0 in August a 3-0 record with a 3.32 ERA, 23 Ks, just one walk

 

Red Sox starters since the All Star Break:

 

Tim Wakefield: 4-2, 4.12 ERA

David Wells: 3-0, 3.15 ERA

Wade Miller: 2-1, 4.70 ERA

Bronson Arroyo: 3-2, 5.02 ERA

Matt Clement: 1-1, 8.18 ERA

 

Sorry, but that doesn't instill a ton of confidence in me. Call me whatever bad names you want.

[yankeessuck013]

The Red Sox have been playing HORRIBLE baseball the past 2 weeks. The pitching, both starters and relievers, have been suspect. They have a good record because the offense has bailed them out, but they can't continue to make the errors and give up the hits and EXPECT to win. They have to tighten up their game or they'll be in deep s***.

 

13 wins at a row at home, and 6 in a row prior to last night doesn't sound "horrible" to me.

[elsrbueno]

13 wins at a row at home, and 6 in a row prior to last night doesn't sound "horrible" to me.

 

Just because you're winning doesn't mean you're playing good baseball. 3 of those were against the KC Royals, who basically gave the Red Sox those games. Yes, I'll take them, but it doesn't change the fact that the Red Sox didn't play well.

 

Over the last two weeks: They swept KC at home, which like I said is NOTHING to be proud of. Then they lost 2 of 3 in Minnesota, basically handing the Twins game 2 before OUTSLUGGING them in game 3. Then they swept Texas, riding again the offense, winning 11-6, 8-7, 16-5. Hardly well pitched games by the Red Sox. They took 2 games against Chicago over the weekend, getting a good performance from Wakefield on Saturday, but Wells gave up 5 runs on Friday. Yes, only 3 of them were earned, but the defense let David Wells down and allowed those other 2 runs to score.

 

Like I said, they haven't played well over the last two weeks, but the offense bailed them out.

[MC Hammer]

A win, is a win, is a win, is a win. I don't care if we let up 45 runs to the Tigers, as long as we scored 46 thats all that matters.

 

You say that the Yankees still have a chance because their pitching blows and they're still staying in the race. Then you say that the Sox are in trouble because their pitching is bad, and they haven't been playing well. Well, wouldn't that mean that the Sox are going to pull away once they stop playing so bad? You can't use the same argument two different ways.

 

Look the Yankees have been very lucky to get quality starts out of Small, and Chacon, but clearly thats not going to last. I'm not very worried about a team with 1 healthy starter and 4 guys who wouldn't even be starting at AAA. Confidence is a good thing, not a bad thing. Would you rather see 5 threads about how it's over? Being positive is better than being negative.

[yankeessuck013]

Would you rather see 5 threads about how it's over? Being positive is better than being negative.

 

then we would just be the yes board

[riverside sluggers]

"you guys are way too confident" dude we have actual 100% belief and trust in the Red Sox. Yes there's been ups and down for the Red Sox as there is for every team every year, god stop being "Mr Downer, or funkill". we are just living in the moment, nothing wrong with that.--and Sox do best at home where they play 24 of out of last 45 games. the Yanks play 25 out of next 44 games away from yankee satdium

[yankeessuck013]

agree. we've lost 1 game out of our last 7, 1 GAME!!!!!!!!

[soxie thefangirl]

Yeah and it was lost on a fluke. A game we should've won.

[yeszir]

There's a difference between being optimistic and being blind, and being realistic and being pessimistic. It may be better to have a positive outlook on things (and how can you not when we've been winning recently), but you really have to consider things from all angles. I'm not saying the sox will definitely fall back, I don't believe they will, but it sure would suck to set yourself up for dissapointment.

[elsrbueno]

"you guys are way too confident" dude we have actual 100% belief and trust in the Red Sox. Yes there's been ups and down for the Red Sox as there is for every team every year, god stop being "Mr Downer, or funkill". we are just living in the moment, nothing wrong with that.--and Sox do best at home where they play 24 of out of last 45 games. the Yanks play 25 out of next 44 games away from yankee satdium

 

I'm just being realistic. I never said the Red Sox weren't going to make the playoffs, but unfortunately I'm not as confident as you guys are. That's just the way it is.

 

The Red Sox will be greatly helped by their schedule for the rest of the season and that's a good thing, but they've GOT TO get their pitching straightened out sooner rather than later.

 

The team that gets the best starting pitching will win the division. Right now both teams have big question marks, and that's all that I'm saying.

 

MCHammer, obviously if the Red Sox turn around and start to play good baseball, they will be able to stay atop in the division. I was just trying to urge you not to be too confident about the recent winning streak because during said winning streak, the Sox did not play great baseball.

 

3.5 games is not an insurmountable lead.

[sarasoxfan]

21 games at home versus 19 big whoop.

 

the yankees have two bonafide aces on their staff we have none. They have the best closer in the game, we dont have one.

 

the redosx should have pulled away from the yankees and the rest of the division but we havent.

We have I think a losing if not 500 record against our division and we play these teams in septmeber.

 

granted we have been winning butwe have been giving a lot of runs, our fdefense has been downright s***** and our reluief pitching putrid.This is not a playoff formula.

being realistic and thinking about the future is a good thing.

 

Years of blind faith and gut wrenching losses have made me plenty skeptical, and I think this team has enormous flaws, and we are f***ing lucky the yankees have them too.

 

The yankees, their manager and their players have years of experience and we should be very worried about them and we should not as a team be losing game against the tigers in the ninth f***ing inning.

[sarasoxfan]

is some one in here suggesting that last night was fluke...?

 

have you been watching schilling as a relief pitcher during the last few weeks?

a 1-2-3 inning would be a fluke.

[BronxBomber61]

A win, is a win, is a win, is a win. I don't care if we let up 45 runs to the Tigers, as long as we scored 46 thats all that matters.

 

It’s good to be optimistic but through the years of being a Yankee fan I’ve learned what it takes to get to the Promised Land. Pitching is the key; the only team in recent history to get there without great starting pitching was the 2002 Angels. That team made up for it with timely hitting and a lights out bullpen.

 

I can’t understand how so many of you here think there’s nothing to worry about even after last nights terrible loss. On Son of Sam Horn they sound like they’re on a suicide watch.

 

I am certainly not overconfident that the Yankees will make the playoffs. I have been mildly optimistic of the pitching lately, especially Shawn Chac?n. I think the Key will be Johnson, if he can start to pitch consistent and the other starters keep it up then we have a great chance.

[yankeessuck013]

the yankees have two bonafide aces on their staff

 

mussina has been inconsistent that year and so has johnson who has a 10.something ERA vs TAMPA BAY!

 

I question how diehard some people on this board are, way to much pessimistic attitude going on around here.

[soxie thefangirl]

They do not have two aces. The same way we don't.

[sarasoxfan]

being diehard doesnt mean being blindly optimistic or irrational.

I think a lot of the people let their hate of the yankees blind them to reality.

 

I dont know about you but johnson versus clement...makes me worry...mussina..riveria..

Christ, their staff has been decimated and they still are onlky 3.5 games back.

Many of you guys are pricing champagne for the division clinching party already.

realism isnt by definition being pessimistic or optimistic its an understanding that our team is flawed as are the yankees. It may only be the devil rays but we lost a game last night becasue we dont have a closer, we almost lost some the other night...we got problems. I for one cant get myself worked into a lather relying on a guy making his second big league start. I hope he does great... but hey, we've got a month and half to play...you might want to stop counting the yankees out because before you know it you'll be checking the wild card standings and wondering how we blew it.

[yankeessuck013]

a couple days you were so confident and now look, one loss and you think our season is in shambles.

 

we will be jsut fine, foulke will be back soon enough

[sarasoxfan]

I am confident we're in the race. I'm just seeing some things that are worrisome.

 

foulke coming back certainly does nothing to help my confidence...he was pitching like a f***ing stiff before this, what makes you think that he will be any better when comes back..he might be worse!!!!!

I hope not, but it can happen..

 

schilling is dreadful, and that doesnt make me confident that he can do any better as a starter. which leaves us with starting pitching that is anything but spectacular.

 

I dont think anything is shambles, I do think it's going to be a f***ing dogfight fo the division,. though.