Canseco's book

[yeszir]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060746408/qid=1108161912/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1468266-1229528?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

 

"Juiced : Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big." Hopefully naming names and pointing fingers will get attention directed at people. This is a definite read for me, and I'll pick it up ASAP during its first week out or so.

 

Apparently Nomar is implicated somehow, and it'll be interesting to see the Red Sox ties into all this.

[RedSoxRooter]

I will not be buying this book. Canseco isn't getting one penny from me. We will never really know who for sure has been doing steroids, so why take the word of someone who's simply out to exploit that?

 

 

 

I hope he gets his ass sued for slander if he fails to 100% prove his accusations.

[element1151]

I will not be buying this book. Canseco isn't getting one penny from me. We will never really know who for sure has been doing steroids, so why take the word of someone who's simply out to exploit that?

 

 

 

I hope he gets his ass sued for slander if he fails to 100% prove his accusations.

 

I agree with you there, I never like Canseco, even when he was playing. Just an idiot who wants to make money and this is the only way he can do that IMO. I don't think everything in that book will be true either.

[Yanksin2010]

I'm not buying a book of lies. The guy has 0 credibility.

[Sox fan in Tex]

Yep.... it's not hard to see that this book is full of bull****

[schillingouttheks]

I just saw an interview with Tony LaRussa on Rome is Burning, and LaRussa said that he saw the type of work with MacGuire and other big names being accused as hard workers who worked their ass off every day, 4-5 days a week. According to him, it is the complete opposite of what he saw with Canseco. I mean, I'm not basing any opinions or siding with anyone until I see some FACTUAL information, but to me, LaRussa is a MUCH MORE credible source than Canseco could ever be.

 

I think Canseco is just looking for publicity and trying to take more people down with him as he stumbles down a cliff.

[sarasoxfan]

this from a guy who raised money for himself by selling a day with jose canseco for who knows how much..over his web site.

 

He is about as credible as pete rose.

 

I cant imagine anyone buying this book. I cant imagine jose being able to even write a book as a matter of fact..maybe he wrote in jail with Ozzie.

[schillingouttheks]

I was just sayin I'd listen to LaRussa over Jose...ok maybe saying he's "MUCH MORE" credible was a stretch, sorry.

[RedSoxRooter]

this from a guy who raised money for himself by selling a day with jose canseco for who knows how much..over his web site.

 

He is about as credible as pete rose.

 

I cant imagine anyone buying this book. I cant imagine jose being able to even write a book as a matter of fact..maybe he wrote in jail with Ozzie.

60 Minutes said last night that a "Day with Jose Canseco" cost $2500/day.

[CalvnHobs6]

I believe the Nomar reference referred to the fact that he's one of the Top 3 shortstops in the game today...I don't remember where I read that.

[BoSox Rule]

You guys can't just say he has zero credability. He's an *******, sure, but he is in the clubhouse and I have a very hard time he is just doing this for the hell of this.

[yeszir]

You guys can't just say he has zero credability. He's an *******, sure, but he is in the clubhouse and I have a very hard time he is just doing this for the hell of this.

Right. He may be a little snitch, but he can't be making all of what he says up. He may be a bastard in the truest sense of the word, but hey, if it implicates cheaters, I'm all for it. :dunno:

[ahhchon]

canseco says person, a b c d e f g took steroids..

 

guess what? i friggan believe the guy. he states that he's the "godfater" of steroids. the big cahuna that started it all. i also believe that. i give MAD props to canseco. someone is saying something. i don't care what reason he's saying it for (in his case, the bling). the fact is that he's saying something. something that A LOT of people know but are not willing to say.

 

to quote pavano: "There are certain things that belong with us ballplayers". what the hell does that mean? it's ok to take steroids as long as the fans don't know?

 

get over it guys. believe it not what canseco is doing is a good thing. he's exposing the mlb for the frauds they are. mlb knew about steroids, they didn't care. after the strike of 94 they let anything slide as long as the fans came back. he's saying the unsayable. he's stepping up imo. i'm glad someone is spilling the beans on what really goes on.

 

but on another note, i personally don't think steroids makes someone better at baseball. you're stronger, you recover faster, but that doesn't neccessarily mean you're a better baseball player. other sports, maybe, baseball? imo, not much. baseball is judge by your bat, you can be the best fielder ever but if you can't bat over .250 (ie pokey reese) you will not make the big bucks. steriods does not increase your batting average, it does not increase the amount of walks you take, it does not increase the amount of hr's you get by much at all (if you can't hit the ball in the 1st place it doesn't matter what your bat speed is).

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

For a long time I shared that very same opinion that john has, until I heard a show about steriod use on espn radio--and it changed my mind.

 

If you assume that every major leaguer can at the very least hit major league pitching in some shape or form...or they woulkdnt be there.

 

Then you add in a drug that increases their power and they can hit the ball 20 or 30 feet farther. That means if you were a player with warning track power suddenly those balls are now home runs.

 

In terms of jose, there must be some truth, but like a bad witness in a ciourtroom the guy has so much baggage that his credibility is like George Bush's you cant believe a word he says. Apparently MLB agrees and ther are no plans to follow up on any of his allegations. There is a lot of jealously on Jose's part for these guys that are still highly regarded by the fans and the press--so you dont know who he has a bone to pick with and who actually did what. I think this will blow over and jose will continue to wallow in obscurity. But like john says there must be some truth to whathe says, however,he is so tainted nobody will listen.

[sarasoxfan]

speaking of george bush...

 

 

Canseco claims he did steroids with Bush

First Lady Laura Bush said the

fact that her husband is "ripped" does not prove he did steroids

with Jose Canseco.

By John Breneman

 

Former pro baseball knucklehead Jose Canseco claims in a new book that he shared steroids not only with the slugger Mark McGwire, but also with George W. Bush.

 

Canseco goes on to speculate that Bush's subsequent behavior -- including his dishonest and boneheaded leadership in the Iraq war -- may be a result of the phenomenon known as "roid rage."

 

Canseco claims that Bush -- whose daddy's friends gave him a cushy baseball job with the Texas Rangers after he lost his shirt in the oil industry -- confided his desire to "get big" and admitted he didn't see it happening in business or politics. Canseco says that when he suggested steroids, Bush grinned and said, "Bring 'em on."

 

Bush, who served as a co-owner of the Rangers when Canseco joined the team in 1992, denied any knowledge of steroid use and claimed he has no recollection of the psychologically deranged he-man ever poking him in the ass with a needle.

 

The White House issued a statement saying that when Bush brought Canseco to Texas he had no clue that everyone else in the world knew the artificially pumped-up player was a poster boy for steroids.

 

Canseco -- who also claims to have injected Barbara Bush, Rush Limbaugh and Arnold Schwarzenegger -- is unrepentant about his own steroid use, saying that without the drug he might never have become the only man in baseball history to have a fly ball bounce off his head and into the stands for a home run.

 

This just in: The White House is denying a report that Canseco obtained nuclear weapons from North Korea in exchange for shooting steroids into the buttocks of Kim Jong Il.

[yeszir]

Disclaimer: That is a satirical article for the people who don't know better. It is akin to the BC = UBICH thing from last week.

[sarasoxfan]

are you talking about the article I posted or Canseco's book.

[yeszir]

are you talking about the article I posted or Canseco's book.

What you posted.

[ahhchon]

For a long time I shared that very same opinion that john has, until I heard a show about steriod use on espn radio--and it changed my mind.

 

If you assume that every major leaguer can at the very least hit major league pitching in some shape or form...or they woulkdnt be there.

 

Then you add in a drug that increases their power and they can hit the ball 20 or 30 feet farther. That means if you were a player with warning track power suddenly those balls are now home runs.

 

In terms of jose, there must be some truth, but like a bad witness in a ciourtroom the guy has so much baggage that his credibility is like George Bush's you cant believe a word he says. Apparently MLB agrees and ther are no plans to follow up on any of his allegations. There is a lot of jealously on Jose's part for these guys that are still highly regarded by the fans and the press--so you dont know who he has a bone to pick with and who actually did what. I think this will blow over and jose will continue to wallow in obscurity. But like john says there must be some truth to whathe says, however,he is so tainted nobody will listen.

 

i totally see where you're coming from. BUT you gotta realize that there is some bias coming from that espn episode. i mean how would they look if they didn't condone steroids, if they said it barely made a difference? people would complain if tomorrow was the last day of earths existance.

 

it is proven (too lazy to find link) that the gains from steroids adds about 3 yards to the distance a baseball is hit. that does make a difference between warning track balls and home runs. but it's not something that changes the record books dramatically. take steroids away from bonds and he still has 550-600 + hr's. take them away from canseco and he will still have over 400, take them away from mcgwire and he still has over 500. these guys are monsters and hit hr's period.

 

the arguement is for guys like renteria. his warning track balls are now hr's. but how often is that? so he'll get a max (pretty extreme max imo) of 10 hr's more per season. that's not something that changes the game.

 

people make steriods out to be the worst thing in the world. it isn't, taken correctly in the proper doses can really be benificial. there are side effects but anything overdone does also. many pro bodybuilders are on steriods, they are not sick, falling apart or get cancer from steroids. the reason is because they know how to take the drugs and in the right doses. i've contemplated taking steroids (yes OMFG i'm a bad person). but the fact that i would have to stick a needle in myself is just gross. i hate needles.

 

i can play the devils advocate all day long on this issue, i have midters to study for. i'll get back with info on how sterioids work and how they can be done properly. if you want to learn how steroids work check out these forums.

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com and for more serious lifters

http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/index.php? aka muscle mayhem forums.

 

john

 

p.s.- i used to lift pretty seriously, hence why i contemplated steroids (i was obsessed with gains)..

[sarasoxfan]

I havent really heard too much about steriods being okay to take...at any level, particularly in younger people, but it appears you know more than I do about the subject--having actually considered injecting yourself....probably a good thing you didnt.

 

The problem as I understand it is like any kind of addiction, that ultimaely it f***s with your head just as much as it does with your body...I gather that most people arent qualified to take the drug properly, unlike serious body builders who know their bodies and know exactly what the different drugs can do.

 

It just seems to me that enhancing your performance--even if it means adding a few extra homer runs and hits is till cheating no matter how you look at it.

 

Pete rose got ripped apart for gambling, taking illegal performance enhancing drugs seems a far worse crime than gambling--or just as bad, and yet these guys arent punished at all.

[ahhchon]

I havent really heard too much about steriods being okay to take...at any level, particularly in younger people, but it appears you know more than I do about the subject--having actually considered injecting yourself....probably a good thing you didnt.

 

The problem as I understand it is like any kind of addiction, that ultimaely it f***s with your head just as much as it does with your body...I gather that most people arent qualified to take the drug properly, unlike serious body builders who know their bodies and know exactly what the different drugs can do.

 

It just seems to me that enhancing your performance--even if it means adding a few extra homer runs and hits is till cheating no matter how you look at it.

 

Pete rose got ripped apart for gambling, taking illegal performance enhancing drugs seems a far worse crime than gambling--or just as bad, and yet these guys arent punished at all.

 

it doesn't take that much to learn how to take roids properly. whoever canseco got it from probably taught him. i'm sure he at least did SOME research before he injected himself. it's not that hard. just follow cycles. the more cycles you do the "bigger" you will get.

 

enchancing your performance isn't cheating. at least not imo. everyone wants to be better. some people are genetically gifted, others are not. why should (pre roids) bonds be able to hit 30+ hr's a year and lets say renteria can't. it's a tough topic, just like abortion. anyone can play devils advocate and argue both sides.

 

and here i go. i personally don't think steroids makes that much of a difference at all. yeah, your body heals faster, but it's not like a friggan miracle drug. steriods only works as well as your workout plan. you can be on roids and lift once a week and not get big at all. roids allows you to train harder, MUCH harder due to the fact that you recover much faster.

 

that's it for now, time for organic chemister!!! YAY

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

either way--they are being used illegally, and is that part of the equation that means it's wrong, and untilt the law is changed they are a controlled substance--and thus against the law to use recreationally, so like the gambling the use is prohibited--so these guys should be punished. IMO

[ahhchon]

either way--they are being used illegally, and is that part of the equation that means it's wrong, and untilt the law is changed they are a controlled substance--and thus against the law to use recreationally, so like the gambling the use is prohibited--so these guys should be punished. IMO

 

yeah, the law, we all know how that's perfect. marijuana smoking is illegal, but it's ok to be under the influence of marijuana. drinking is illegal under the age of 21, what a great random number. how many over 21 year olds die from drinking and driving a year? tons.

 

it doesn't mean that something is a law it's the right thing. it's illegal to drive 1 mph over the speed limit. i'm sure you don't follow that all the time.

 

steroids is just blown out of proportion by the media. any knowledgeable user knows that it's pretty damn safe.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

I know what you mean however, until the law is changed it is still illegal whether we agree with the law or not.

 

And whether or not steroids are safe or not, which I believe is still debatable--it is still cheating in my book.

[sarasoxfan]

I looked up steriods use online and even using them at safe levels preoduces the following side effects:

 

stunted growth, testicle shrinkage, bad acne, reduced sperm count, impotence, baldness, breast development, painful urination, and severe mood swings.

 

I could live without testicle shrinkage and having tits...seems a tad risky to me...

[ahhchon]

lol, don't believe everything you read online.. most of it is undocumented opinions. i'm not saying that there are no side effects but those are not as common as people think.

 

during spring break when i will actually have time i'll post some info up.. but then again i promissed those spreadsheets and they never happened lol

 

john

[yeszir]

But the argument here isn't over whether steroids cause your balls to shrink. Steroids in baseball is cheating, side effects or not. I don't care what Canseco or anyone chooses to inject into their bodies, they could shoot maple syrup for all I care. But if what they choose gives them an unfair, illegal advantage over others, than it's got to be made illegal in baseball.

[ahhchon]

salary cap is a much more important matter than steriods...

 

john

[CrespoBlows]

Canseco's book is all lies (Yes I read it)

 

As soon as he said he could run the 40 in 3.9 flat, I put down the book.

[sarasoxfan]

I wonder if there is any truth in it at all. the stuff abot mark and other steroid stuff sounded believable I would have sounded more believable if it hadnt come from jose.

 

 

I read today that he has been recieving death threats, I hope you didnt hate his book that much..

 

I also saw he is still broke and selling stuff on his website..

 

his world series ring for 40,000, game jersey for 750, and an autographed copy of the book for 58.