Edgar About To Sign.

[sarasoxfan]

I saw in the globe that edgar is about to sign, as well.

 

Red Sox about to sign

a four-year deal with Renteria

The deal with the shortstop ace Edgar Renteria is in the $40 million range. Theo Epstein also met with Pedro's agent in hopes of concluding a deal.

 

theo-theo-theo-theo!

[sarasoxfan]

from bostondirtdogs.com

 

Rent a Shortstop? No. Renteria.

 

Gammons Says Sox Close to Signing Edgar to Replace OC

4 Years, $38 Million

[CalvnHobs6]

NO! BAD!!!

Too much money...they needed a one-year SS to make way for Hanley Ramirez....what happened to the farm system....bad bad. I don't like it. Convince me that this is a good thing.

[stocker323]

Gammons was on WEEI earlier and he suggested that they could perhaps move Hanley to 2nd Base or CF in 2006, if they sign Renteria.

[sarasoxfan]

can you say trade bait.

[element1151]

Originally posted by CalvnHobs6@Dec 11 2004, 02:40 PM

NO! BAD!!!

Too much money...they needed a one-year SS to make way for Hanley Ramirez....what happened to the farm system....bad bad. I don't like it. Convince me that this is a good thing.

What if Hanley isn't ready for the Majors in one year, or gets injured? I don't mind this move at all. Renteria is a good, proven SS who is only 29. Good move, the price is the only bad thing, but if that is what it takes then go for it.

[sarasoxfan]

furthermore, what is all the fuss...the guy hit 310 at A, and played 30 or so games at AA..he has no power at all.

 

he's young and very very immature.

 

this kid is far away from the bigs...

 

let him languish in the minors and then trade him. Go with experience...

[CrespoBlows]

Leave breaking down prospects to Zenny, because Hanley is none of which you described.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 11 2004, 05:52 PM

furthermore, what is all the fuss...the guy hit 310 at A, and played 30 or so games at AA..he has no power at all.

 

he's young and very very immature.

 

this kid is far away from the bigs...

 

let him languish in the minors and then trade him. Go with experience...

c'mon, not to be picking on you but the last posts you made were talking about how dumb my comments were.

 

hanley is one of the top 30 prospects in the game. from everything i've read (wish i could see him play) he's everything nomar was and more with the exception of power. i honestly doubt he'll be able to hit for ave like nomar has but i could dream, can't i?

 

i like the singing of rent, but then again, i don't. why do we need another "big bat" (not really that big) in the lineup? we've only had the most RS the past 2 years in a row. if hanley is everything they say he is i would much rather have him for 6 years at league minimum.

 

even if you do you move hanley to 2b what are you doing to do with dustin pedrodia (sp) when he's ready? ss is filled, 2b is filled. LF and RF are most likely locked up. are we going to move hanley from a position he's comfy at (2b) to the outfield and put dustin at 2nd?

 

it seems more and more obvious that one of the two will be traded if we sign renteria. who knows, maybe theo has something in the works with the a's and one of the big 3. that would be pretty interesting but i'm not sure i like it. giving up a future (possibly great) ss for 1 year of tim hudson or 2 years of zito or mulder.

 

yeah, we COULD sign them to extensions, but that is no gaurantee since the sox are supposed to be trying to cut down on payroll.

 

john

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 11 2004, 05:57 PM

Leave breaking down prospects to Zenny, because Hanley is none of which you described.

Excellent suggestion right there. Zen is awesome with prospects.

 

I hate having to hear other people's crap about how Hanley is going to be nothing at other boards because they have no idea about him.

[stocker323]

I think one could be traded perhaps next year as part of a deadline deal where there may be some more aces on the market. I don't think Oakland would be interested because they've got Crosby who is there 2B of the future. I don't think Arizona is going to trade Randy Johnson, based on their recent signings. So I see a trade perhaps during the year or next offseason.

[Zenny]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 11 2004, 06:52 PM

furthermore, what is all the fuss...the guy hit 310 at A, and played 30 or so games at AA..he has no power at all.

 

he's young and very very immature.

 

this kid is far away from the bigs...

 

let him languish in the minors and then trade him. Go with experience...

While you have been attacking John, who has been nearly dead-on with most things, I lost all respect for you and your baseball knowledge. You use batting average to try to prove your point? Juvenile. This proves that your baseball knowledge is lacking.

 

First off, Hanley Ramirez is one of the top 10 best atheletes in the minor leagues today. That's without looking at stats or anything else. He's ripped.

 

Second, Hanley was hurt for most of his tenure in high-A, which leads to some of the only OK stats and hampered power. He exploded in AA. How many 21 year-olds (which is 2-3 years below average prospect age at AA) have a .512 SLG% above a .310 batting average? That's a .202 IsoP. Look that stat up. It's one thousand times better than batting average. He's also shown steadily improving plate discipline with every level he's gone up. That's a good indicator for improvement.

 

Third, he has no power, huh? How's leading the Dominican Winter League (which is mostly composed of current major leaguers, former major leaguers and the best-of-the-best prospects) in homeruns? Yeah, no power. He's just being the best of the best.

 

Fourth, "let him languish in the minors and then trade him?" That's the most ignorant statement regarding baseball I have heard in quite some time. What a fantastic way to run a team. Stunt a potential All-Star's growth while paying a SS who had a .728 OPS last season (that's the same as Tony Batista's, by the way) nearly $10 million dollars a season when we could have the next Nomar, sans the stupidity and plus more plate discipline for THE LEAGUE MINUMUM. That's 3,333% more. You're kidding me, right?

 

Sorry, bro, that's just retarded. Read some stuff and come back when you have a goddamned clue.

[stocker323]

Zenny while you're here I have a couple questions.

 

1. How much experience does Hanley have at 2B?

 

2. How does Pedroia compare to Hanley?

[sarasoxfan]

wow, where's the love...Lighten up, he's young...he needs time...he hasnt proven anything in the minors, yet.

 

my point was- he's now trade bait.

 

and by the way..to quote "dead on" john...

 

lets get some facts straight. this is a discussion board. where people TALK and state what they think is going to happen. i'm obviously not theo epstein and what i say obviously does not change who the sox do or do not sign. i

o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)

n.

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).

 

we're all entitled to our opinion, and think tek is not declining, I think john is wrong more than he is right, and think hanley is far from ready.

[sarasoxfan]

and by the way there's no rule that says retards cant be sox fans...

 

and as a retard, I really dont care what you think..the f***ing guy is a good damn catcher and he hit .296, and I dont care if that's a stupid stat...

 

I like tek, and i think we should sign him, Bro. at 4 years without the no-trade.

I think edgar is a great pick-up and wells, I like that move too.

 

and as far as you losing respect for me...I'm crushed.

[ahhchon]

first off - love from the friggan zen master, i'm blushing like a schoolboy under the mistletoe!

 

2ndly - sara, exactly, where IS THE LOVE? you surely didn't show any when you ripped me the shread in the other thread. was it you or was it red sox that said i knew abosolutely nothing about the sox. one of you also stated that i was a dumbass. it isn't so nice when the tables are turned aye?

 

this is a discussion board, lets discuss, not insult fellow sox fans.

 

john

 

p.s.- BoSox Rule, are you the same bosox rule from baseball.com? if so, cheese and crackers for you, you're pedro's homeboy over there. if i was able to post there i'de give you a hand or two.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Zenny@Dec 11 2004, 06:11 PM

First off, Hanley Ramirez is one of the top 10 best atheletes in the minor leagues today. That's without looking at stats or anything else. He's ripped.

 

Second, Hanley was hurt for most of his tenure in high-A

exploded in AA.

 

....

 

Sorry, bro, that's just retarded. Read some stuff and come back when you have a goddamned clue.

Wow, just wow. That was an AWESOME POST!

 

And, yeah, I am BoSox Rule from Netsports.

[Zenny]

Originally posted by stocker323@Dec 11 2004, 07:14 PM

Zenny while you're here I have a couple questions.

 

1. How much experience does Hanley have at 2B?

 

2. How does Pedroia compare to Hanley?

No problem.

 

1. Hanley has no prior extended experience at 2B. He's been a SS his entire career. He may have a few innings there, but I can't find any minor league fielding stats ever since The Baseball Cube changed their formatting.

 

2. Dustin Pedroia is going to end up at 2B anyway, whether with us or not. He profiles somewhere between Mark Loretta and David Eckstein, a lot more towards the former than the latter. Pedroia was a far superior college player to Eckstein in a much tougher division to play in, which is why I dismiss the rampant Eckstein comparisons people like to make. While Hanley, on the other hand, profiles as something between Nomar and Renteria (with Renteria being the low-end upside).

[CrespoBlows]

Question for Zenny

 

Could you see Renteria being traded when Hanley is ready?

 

Question for Everyone

 

Why don't we insted of signing Renteria, we sign Clement, or some bullpen pitchers?

[ahhchon]

awsome info zen:

 

i'm not liking this renteria signing. i friggan feel like i'm cheering for the yankees when we sign every so many stars and push our payroll higher and higher. what's wrong with building from the bottom and winning with guys that we picked and "raised". it's pretty sad that trot was the only player that has gone through our system on that ws team.

 

john

 

p.s.- in responce to crespo (so i don't have to make a new post): Because that would make way too much sense man. i'de rather see better pitching over hitting anyday.

[sarasoxfan]

point taken john.

 

give me a drag of the peace pipe. we should all be happy things are clicking.

 

ps: I'll lay off pedro (a little) if you layoff tek (a little).

deal?

[Zenny]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 11 2004, 07:20 PM

and as a retard, I really dont care what you think..the f***ing guy is a good damn catcher and he hit .296, and I dont care if that's a stupid stat...

 

I like tek, and i think we should sign him, Bro. at 4 years without the no-trade.

You should care if it's a stupid stat. There are better ways to judge players. Being better at judging players makes the game more fun because you truly know who's better than whom, what amount to pay which guy, which player is the diamond in the rough who is cast-off by your standard "BA/HR/RBI" fans like you.

 

For example, Placido Polanco would have been a much smarter pick-up than Renteria. Why, you ask? He would've made 1/4 of the money with equal power and a better ability to get on base with similar, if not better, defensive capabilities at SS. Not only that, but we wouldn't have had to make a 4 year committment and we would have a lot more financial flexibilty to go after everyone's favorite Golden Boy catcher, who you can pretty much kiss good-bye now. Renteria just got his money.

 

Also, why pay for a catcher who can only hit in one ballpark? Suppose we trade for Brian Schneider, who has a better overall hitting line than Varitek's road line, and gets the same benefits from the Fenway effect for 1/10 of the cost while being the best defensive catcher in the game. He threw out 1/2 the guys who tried to steal against him! He was the clear-cut choice for the GG at catcher in the NL, but the ignorant voters overlooked him.

 

There are alternates in this world besides the big names. I also bet you're one of those guys who thinks Barry Zito is still an elite pitcher.

[sarasoxfan]

I dont. we belted his ass...

 

I'm busy smoking a peace pipe with john, stop picking on me!

[Zenny]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 11 2004, 07:32 PM

Question for Zenny

 

Could you see Renteria being traded when Hanley is ready?

I wish, but who's going to be willing to take on that contract by then? It's likely the date in question is going to be after next season or mid-way through 2006. That means Renteria will have 2-3 years left on his deal with well over $30 million dollars owed to him. No potential trading partner could possibly afford that unless we take a bad contract in return.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 11 2004, 06:33 PM

point taken john.

 

give me a drag of the peace pipe. we should all be happy things are clicking.

 

ps: I'll lay off pedro (a little) if you layoff tek (a little).

deal?

although i wanta drag on the peace pipe, and will drag on it i want to make one thing clear.

 

there is a difference between your pedro ragging and my tek ragging.

 

you rag on pedro because he's an "*******". which you don't really have any stats to back up

 

i rag on tek that he's on a "decline". which i do have stats to backup. that is the difference.

 

but if it makes you feel better, i'll chill for a while, i'm supposed to be studying for four finals anyways.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

choke, cough..

 

Pedro is the man, tek is fadin' fast!

 

choke...I just want us to win...

[ahhchon]

damnit, don't let off so easy man. minus the insults we were having a friggan kick ass debate. pedro is the man, but he can be such a bitch sometimes. i'm not a fan of some of the things he does, but the media really blows it out of proportion.

 

john

[mosox]

Back to the thread...

Signing Renteria seems to indicate Hanley Ramirez may now be available in a trade for Johnson...?

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by mosox@Dec 11 2004, 06:50 PM

Back to the thread...

Signing Renteria seems to indicate Hanley Ramirez may now be available in a trade for Johnson...?

worst idea ever. why would you want johnson. a 40+ year old pitcher for 2 years. he's also making over 15 mill a year. if theo made that trade it would take away from everything he's done allready. worst trade ever. you would have to include bronson arroyo, who's making friggan 300k a year and is only going to get better. not to mention a friggan prospect by the name of hanley ram. why would we do that. it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

yay, we have have a killer lineup for 2 whole years. and pay up the rear in salary taxes (not sure what the term is for the yankees, lol).

 

don't sign rent. it's stupid.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

Renteria, 29, played the last six seasons for the Cardinals after beginning his career with the Florida Marlins, for whom he was World Series MVP in 1997. A four-time All-Star, Renteria is a career .289 hitter, batting .366 against left-handers last season, when he hit .287 overall. He made just 11 errors in 149 games for the Cardinals, and was considered a leader in the Cardinals' clubhouse.

 

they are signing him for four years, and it's far from stupid, give me back that peace pipe.