Pedro Martinez Set To Sign 3 Yr 40 Million With...

[element1151]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 05:35 PM

What do you mean?

They need to be adjusted to time period and ballpark size.

[BoSox Rule]

A 3.90 ERA in Fenway is a 3.20 ERA in Shea.

[Yankeesin05]

No. Pedro's ERA wont be that high.

 

17-6

2.91 ERA

255 SO

219 INN

 

 

 

Those are my predictions for Pedro in 2005. Especially if the Mets can land Delgado and Varitek.

[Yankeesin05]

They need to be adjusted to time period and ballpark size

 

 

Shea didn't change while Doc Gooden was pitching.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 08:40 PM

No. Pedro's ERA wont be that high.

 

17-6

2.91 ERA

255 SO

219 INN

 

 

 

Those are my predictions for Pedro in 2005. Especially if the Mets can land Delgado and Varitek.

I doubt a sub 3 ERA.

[BoSox Rule]

Here, I will use stats that measure DOMINANCE.

 

Nolan Ryan was 12% better than the average pitcher during his time.

 

Pedro Martinez is 67% better than the average pitcher of his time. The best % better of all-time.

 

Pedro's 5 best ERA seasons

1.74, 1.90, 2.07, 2.22, 2.26

 

Nolan's 5 best ERA seasons

1.69, 2.28, 2.76, 2.77, 2.89

 

Pedro's 5 best Adjusted ERA+ seasons

285, 245, 221, 212, 196

 

Nolan's 5 best Adjusted ERA+ seasons

194, 142, 141, 138, 128

 

Pedro's 5 best H/9 seasons

5.31, 5.89, 6.48, 6.50, 6.75

 

Nolan's 5 best H/9 seasons

5.26, 5.88, 5.96, 6.11, 6.14

 

Pedro's 5 best K/9 seasons

13.21, 12.57, 11.78, 11.37, 10.79

 

Nolan's 5 best K/9 seasons

11.48, 11.32, 10.57, 10.56, 10.48

 

Pedro's 5 best WHIP seasons

0.74, 0.92, 0.92, 0.93, 0.93

 

Nolan's 5 best WHIP seasons

1.01, 1.03, 1.09, 1.13, 1.14

 

Pedro's 5 best Opponents Batting Average Seasons

.167, .184, .198, .199, .205

 

Nolan's 5 best Opponents Batting Average Seasons

.171, .172, .187, .188, .188

 

Pedro's 5 best K/BB seasons

8.88, 8.24, 6.52, 5.83, 4.38

 

Nolan's 5 best K/BB seasons

3.05, 3.03, 2.98, 2.82, 2.77

 

Pedro's 5 best W/L% seasons

.852, .833, .778, .750, .731

 

Nolan's 5 best W/L% seasons

.688, .615, .609, .600, .591

 

From above, Pedro's MLB records are ERA+, Opponents Batting Average, and WHIP. Nolan's was H/9.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 08:42 PM

They need to be adjusted to time period and ballpark size

 

 

Shea didn't change while Doc Gooden was pitching.

The time period also wasn't too terribly long ago.

[Yankeesin05]

Pedro's ERA is way under 3.00 lifetime at Shea Stadium. Who knows, Pedro might even return to normal form(doubltfull though).

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yanksin2010+Dec 19 2004, 08:47 PM-->

QUOTE (Yanksin2010 @ Dec 19 2004, 08:47 PM)

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule+Dec 19 2004, 08:48 PM-->

QUOTE (BoSox Rule @ Dec 19 2004, 08:48 PM)

Originally posted by Yanksin2010@Dec 19 2004, 08:47 PM

[Yankeesin05]

Pedro's 5 best W/L% seasons

.852, .833, .778, .750, .731

 

Nolan's 5 best W/L% seasons

.688, .615, .609, .600, .591

 

Nolan Ryan was on a lot worse teams during his career then Pedro. C'mon man, there is still no was you can compare Pedro Martinez to Nolan Ryan.

 

Do you think Pedro could last 27 seasons!! He will barely get through 18 seasons.

 

Ryan was a Horse, Pedro is anything but.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 08:52 PM

Pedro's 5 best W/L% seasons

.852, .833, .778, .750, .731

 

Nolan's 5 best W/L% seasons

.688, .615, .609, .600, .591

Do you think Pedro could last 27 seasons!! He will barely get through 18 seasons.

 

Ryan was a Horse, Pedro is anything but.

Here man. You need some help on this subject.

 

Check out this word.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 08:52 PM

Pedro's 5 best W/L% seasons

.852, .833, .778, .750, .731

 

Nolan's 5 best W/L% seasons

.688, .615, .609, .600, .591

 

Nolan Ryan was on a lot worse teams during his career then Pedro. C'mon man, there is still no was you can compare Pedro Martinez to Nolan Ryan.

 

Do you think Pedro could last 27 seasons!! He will barely get through 18 seasons.

 

Ryan was a Horse, Pedro is anything but.

They re comparible, but Ryan is still better.

[BoSox Rule]

Show me some stats that backup your opinions, no hitters don't count. Derek Lowe has a no hitter. Hideo Nomo has two.

[Yankeesin05]

Here man. You need some help on this subject.

 

Check out this word.

 

Why did you send me this??

[element1151]

Originally posted by Yanksin2010+Dec 19 2004, 05:54 PM-->

QUOTE (Yanksin2010 @ Dec 19 2004, 05:54 PM)

[BoSox Rule]

LONGEVITY isn't DOMINANCE.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 08:55 PM

Show me some stats that backup your opinions, no hitters don't count. Derek Lowe has a no hitter. Hideo Nomo has two.

He has 7, 7! Incuding one past the age of 40. Lets see pedro do that.

[Yankeesin05]

Do you think Pedro could throw 99 mph at the age of 44? Pshh

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by element1151+Dec 19 2004, 08:57 PM-->

QUOTE (element1151 @ Dec 19 2004, 08:57 PM)

Originally posted by Yanksin2010@Dec 19 2004, 05:54 PM

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yanksin2010+Dec 19 2004, 08:57 PM-->

QUOTE (Yanksin2010 @ Dec 19 2004, 08:57 PM)

[BoSox Rule]

This Yankee fan, who is more knowledgable than every Yankee fan on this site COMBINED seems to think Pedro is the most dominant pitcher ever.

 

http://forums.netsports.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31227

 

And I suggest you read the whole thread before showing me "he said that so he can't be" or "HE KNOWZ WATZ ^!"

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule+Dec 19 2004, 08:59 PM-->

QUOTE (BoSox Rule @ Dec 19 2004, 08:59 PM)

Originally posted by Yanksin2010@Dec 19 2004, 08:57 PM

[BoSox Rule]

No hitters require more luck than anything.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:03 PM

This Yankee fan, who is more knowledgable than every Yankee fan on this site COMBINED seems to think Pedro is the most dominant pitcher ever.

 

http://forums.netsports.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31227

 

And I suggest you read the whole thread before showing me "he said that so he can't be" or "HE KNOWZ WATZ ^!"

The only reason you call him more knowledgable is because he agrees with you. You need to learn that just because someone disagrees with you, does not automatically make them a dumbass.

[BoSox Rule]

That's not true at all.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:05 PM

No hitters require more luck than anything.

7 no hitters is not luck.

[BoSox Rule]

You guys haven't shown me ONE stat other than no hitters and the length of Ryan's career. That much speaks for itself.

[Yankeesin05]

I cant believe that you actually think that Pedro Martinez is better then Nolan Ryan....For the love of god he is not!

 

Do you think Pedro was better then Koufax?

 

How about Clemens?

 

Or maby Randy Johnson

 

Why do you think Ryan got the most total H.O.F. votes received with 491?

 

Ryan also has the 1900's single season record with 383 SO, With Koufax on his tail with 382.

 

Pedro wont even win 300 games.

[BoSox Rule]

He's more dominant than all of them, and you can show me K numbers all you want. How about Pedro's K/9 rate, 13.21, DH included which was the best until Randy broke it in 2001 with 13.41, don't forget he got to face the pitcher.

 

Curt Schilling has the same ERA+ (stat that measures dominance the most) than Koufax.

 

Nobody in the history of the game is 49% better than the average pitcher in their league other than Pedro. Pedro is 67% better, Lefty Grove is 48% better.