Congratulations To Roger Clemens

CalvnHobs6 · November 9, 2004

He beat Randy Johnson and Roy Oswalt (2nd and 3rd) to take his unprecedented 7th Cy Young award. I'd be shocked to see him retire.

Let's face it. The Rocket is one of the best pitchers of all time, and I can't help but love the guy.

elsrbueno · November 9, 2004

Originally posted by CalvnHobs6@Nov 9 2004, 02:12 PM
He beat Randy Johnson and Roy Oswalt (2nd and 3rd) to take his unprecedented 7th Cy Young award. I'd be shocked to see him retire.

Let's face it. The Rocket is one of the best pitchers of all time, and I can't help but love the guy.

Clemens is one of the best, yes.

A sure hall of famer, yes.

Love the guy? I dunno.... he DID pitch in Yankee pinstripes...

Congrats Roger... Well deserved! Although I wouldn't have argued if Randy Johnson had won it either, he was AMAZING in 2004.

yeszir · November 9, 2004

I still hate him. Cy young shmy young, if he wants to be an ******* towards Boston fans he doesn't need my respect.

schillingouttheks · November 9, 2004

we showed him respect last year during the regular season in his final regular season start against us, which was possibly his last against us.

he came out and gave a curtain call, i dont think he is an ******* to many red sox fans, its the management that basically turned him away from boston.

my parents friends are bestfriends with the clemens family, and they say they are incredibly nice people.

i would show him respect for what hes done, whether you like him or not.

its like what so many celtics fans say to magic johnson..."i respect you but i dont like you."

ahhchon · November 10, 2004

there are so many boston fans that hate clemens... it's not even funny. he's one of the greatest pitchers to ever pitch and people hate him. it's retarted. sox let him go and he signed with the blue jays, then he was TRADED to the yankees. i don't think he had a no trade clause in his contract.

as for clemens winning the cy young, that's a huge negative, it should have went to randy johnson, hands down.

john

Gertie · November 10, 2004

I have no real problems with Clemens, especially after he shafted the Yankees. Let the man go into the Hall, preferably in a Sox cap. All will be forgiven.

DOrtiz4prez · November 10, 2004

He deserved but I think if RJ was on a better team so his win loss column looked better he would have won. He is better at most stats beside the win loss just because he's on the DBacks and Clemens is on one of the most high powered offense.

ahhchon · November 10, 2004

GAMES STARTED

Randy Johnson: 35

Roger Clemens: 33

WINS

Randy Johnson: 16

Roger Clemens: 18

INNINGS PITCHED

Randy Johnson: 245.7

Roger Clemens: 214.3

EARNED RUN AVERAGE

Randy Johnson: 2.60

Roger Clemens: 2.98

COMPLETE GAMES

Randy Johnson: 4

Roger Clemens: 0

SHUTOUTS

Randy Johnson: 2

Roger Clemens: 0

HITS ALLOWED/9 IP

Randy Johnson: 6.48

Roger Clemens: 7.10

STRIKEOUTS

Randy Johnson: 290

Roger Clemens: 218

K/9

Randy Johnson: 10.62

Roger Clemens: 9.16

WALKS

Randy Johnson: 44

Roger Clemens: 79

BB/9

Randy Johnson: 1.61

Roger Clemens: 3.32

K/BB

Randy Johnson: 6.59

Roger Clemens: 2.76

ADJUSTED ERA+

Randy Johnson: 171

Roger Clemens: 145

WIN SHARES

Randy Johnson: 25 (26.9 pitching win shares)

Roger Clemens: 20 (21.3 pitching win shares)

WHIP

Randy Johnson: 0.90

Roger Clemens: 1.16

OPPONENTS BATTING AVERAGE

Randy Johnson: .197

Roger Clemens: .217

OPPONENTS ON-BASE PERCENTAGE

Randy Johnson: .241

Roger Clemens: .292

OPPONENTS SLUGGING PERCENTAGE

Randy Johnson: .315

Roger Clemens: .329

NUFF SAID

john

DOrtiz4prez · November 10, 2004

Thanks john, that proved my point, Randy won every single category except wins which is for obvious reasons.

CalvnHobs6 · November 10, 2004

I think the big turning point was Roger's final run. The 'stros won all 8 of Roger's final starts, and he compiled a 6-0 record over that run. He was a huge reason they made it to the playoffs. But Johnson's statistics are excellent, the fact is he played for the worst team in baseball.

DOrtiz4prez · November 10, 2004

But the award is for the best pitcher, not the best pitcher on a good team.

CalvnHobs6 · November 10, 2004

Not necessarily the best team (cause the Astros weren't), but I believe they take into account how valuable a pitcher is for his team.

elsrbueno · November 10, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Nov 9 2004, 06:41 PM
we showed him respect last year during the regular season in his final regular season start against us, which was possibly his last against us.

he came out and gave a curtain call, i dont think he is an ******* to many red sox fans, its the management that basically turned him away from boston.

my parents friends are bestfriends with the clemens family, and they say they are incredibly nice people.

i would show him respect for what hes done, whether you like him or not.

its like what so many celtics fans say to magic johnson..."i respect you but i dont like you."

I agree with this post 100%.

I don't LIKE Jeter. I don't LIKE Bernie Williams, Joe Torre, etc. I don't LIKE them mostly because of the uniform that they wear.

Do I RESPECT them? Absolutely. They are the kind of folks that play the game RIGHT, and play hard.

Clemens has had his problems with Boston ownership, and some drama with Piazza, and has had the reputation for being a "head hunter," but so has Pedro Martinez. Martinez has created plenty of drama especially with some Yankees, and nobody's hating on him.

Clemens proved that it's not all about money with him. He went to Houston for far less money Georgie would have given him, and he was the bargain of the century. He wanted to be at home with his family, but still play the game that he loves. I RESPECT that.

I have the deepest respect for what Clemens has been able to do. He was the second best pitcher in the National League last year (Sorry Roger, but Randy was better) at 42 years old. He was the ace of that staff, and he carried that pitching staff. He's a warrior in every sense of the word, and I, personally, would welcome him back to Boston with open arms (if he wanted to come back, which he doesn't).

My father hates Clemens too. There's some fans that just don't get over grudges.

Not me. Congratulations Roger!

ahhchon · November 10, 2004

bruno, the problem is that so many people are too infatuated with hating the yankees. they forget how to love the sox. i don't hate the yankees, i hate a few specific players, some just happen to be on the yankees.

i love the sox wayyyy more than i hate the yankees

john

DOrtiz4prez · November 10, 2004

Originally posted by ahhchon@Nov 10 2004, 03:14 PM
i love the sox wayyyy more than i hate the yankees

That should be the motto of Red Sox fans. Yeah, you should hate the Yanks with a passion, but you should love the Sox with more of a passion.

ahhchon · November 11, 2004

yeah, i've never been a fan of yankees suck, i'm more of a red sox rules fan..

john

CrespoBlows · November 11, 2004

Congrats Roger, now you can retire on top.

schillingouttheks · November 11, 2004

Originally posted by ahhchon@Nov 10 2004, 09:37 PM
yeah, i've never been a fan of yankees suck, i'm more of a red sox rules fan..

john

and the yankees suck chant isnt really true either...i mean making the playoffs in countless numbers of years and being able to compete every year and being an ENORMOUSLY TOUGH TEAM...id say they arent that bad.

DOrtiz4prez · November 11, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks+Nov 10 2004, 10:41 PM-->
QUOTE (schillingouttheks @ Nov 10 2004, 10:41 PM)

Gertie · November 11, 2004

It's more like, you guys suck at life. Not at baseball.

ahhchon · November 11, 2004

i know that it isn't meant literally...... but that's the point, i love the sox more than i hate the yankees, i see no point is chanting that i hate the yankees, i'de much rather chant "lets go red sox"

john

November 29, 2004

and who said he was on the "twilight" of his career?

CrespoBlows · November 29, 2004

bitch shut up, who won the world series?

November 29, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks+Nov 10 2004, 10:41 PM-->
QUOTE (schillingouttheks @ Nov 10 2004, 10:41 PM)

schillingouttheks · November 30, 2004

i was saying it in a way that the yankees are obviously a great team. i purposely made it an understatement...wow...

and on the '98 marlins...ill take another world series win in 5 years.

December 7, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Nov 29 2004, 08:17 PM
i was saying it in a way that the yankees are obviously a great team. i purposely made it an understatement...wow...

and on the '98 marlins...ill take another world series win in 5 years.

Try 2090

December 7, 2004

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Nov 29 2004, 04:49 PM
bitch shut up, who won the world series?

since 1991:

1991: Twins

1992: Blue Jays

1993: Blue Jays

1995: Braves

1996: Yankees

1997: Marlins

1998: Yankees

1999: Yankees

2000: Yankees

2001: Diamondbacks

2002: Angels

2003: Marlins

2004: Sox

There, are ya happy now?

yeszir · December 7, 2004

Originally posted by 2090+Dec 7 2004, 05:41 PM-->
QUOTE (2090 @ Dec 7 2004, 05:41 PM)

schillingouttheks · December 8, 2004

year two-thou-sand *boom boom boom boom boom*

December 8, 2004

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Dec 7 2004, 08:29 PM
year two-thou-sand *boom boom boom boom boom*

uh huh. You 12 years old or what?

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