southpaw777

From what ive read and heard, the asking price for a starter the calibur of a Carasco or Syndergaard will cost a hefty haul... It may only take one MLB player and prospects, but i think you understand what it will take... I also agreee that it wont be easy to acquire that top starter. We have to match up perfectly and be willing to pay the price without hurting the current roster...Unfortunately It usually hurts a bit...

They have to talk about him and a couple other as trade bait if they want a top flight young starter...you dont get one without the other...

Moon, my friend...i have been telling you for a few years that your trade proposals of 6 prospects for one guy is too much quantity and not enough quality... They dont want "darn good" prospects for elite talent, they want elite prospects and probably some Young controlled Proven MLB talent. I think the Sox wouldnt part with Xander just because there isnt anyone to replace him and hes looking more and more like a perennial All Star. Id say either one or even two of JBJ, Mookie, and Swihart or Shaw would have to be available in a trade as well as a couple from the top 5... 3-4 top players/prospects But for me to give up that much it HAS to be for a proven young controlled TOTR starter.

Heres my quote... Never said Thor was available...nor was i meaning to give up all of these kids in one deal.

The Mets have been looking for offense since last year. They have plenty of pitching. With that said, i said a guy LIKE Syndergaard and also said i wasnt saying he was available. Im pretty sure they arent letting him, or anyone go fpr that matter, if they are in the race. Thats kind of a given... My point was giving up top talent for a young controlled totr type.

Your guesses about Xander and JBj are head scratchers....Xander was 5th for a GG last year, but good thing he knows hes not "the greastest ss"...and JBJ, who thinks hes Gods gift? lol...where do you come up with this stuff? Talk about just chucking something against a wall...Xander is one of the best SS in the league and JBJ seems pretty humble to me, especially after what it took for him to get, and stay here the last two years...usually people form opinions based on facts and solid info...Im just wondering what info gives you these opinions?

Yes, hes played OF, SS, and was a pt catcher his jr and sr years in HS. I agree. I dont think it hurts his value at all. Hes got a little ways to go as a catcher, but im sure GMs all know this. But the kid is very athletic and should be ok. Hes getting plenty of time behind the dish in AAA and dont doubt he will become at least average on D as a catcher. Hopefully better than aveage...but Youre right. He needs to make sure his offense is good because thats gonna be his ticket. Who knows, maybe Farrell will have him put the gear on for a game while hes up.

My bad. I didnt mean all four, but I can see how you would think that. I meant i would start with top names like that and not try to make it a quantity over quality thing or try and give them our garbage. I would give them at least two of those names and maybe three if they demanded it...

Might wan to have a look... http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/buchhcl01.shtml

Now, for a guy like Syndergaard (not saying hes available) I would give up names like Espinoza, benintendi, swihart and Devers to start the conversation...

I kinda like my man parts...pass on alba too:p

if they decide to put Buch out there, he will most certainly have a few teams involved. Just because fans dont see value in him doesnt mean he has none. im not saying we will get a lot back, but to think nobody wants him is ridiculous. They havent put him out there because theres nobody to replace him. Owens and Johnson arent doing well. Besides the other night, Elias has looked awful. O,Sullivan? Pass....theres a reason Buch is still here. I dont think they thought ALL of their pitching depth would suck balls...neither did I..

I think TJS will be in Smiths future. Swihart in LF will not be like rushing him as a catcher. He should be fine out there. from all reports he looks a lot better than they thought he would this quickly. Not saying he a GG Ofer, just that hes looked really good out there...

And Hannigan has a lifetime BA of 253 and an OBP of 350..he walks a lot and takes a bunch of pitches. That has value. Hes not an automatic out either. Im not understamding what fangraphs wants.. All elite hitters and downplay defense behind the plate? .thats totally ridiculous... I get all the stats, but you have to balance that out with other things you cant quantify with numbers.

No apologies needs bro. To downplay Vaz' skills because of some defensive stats ( which i take with a grain of salt) is ridiculous...he picks off runners, throws them out no matter whos on the mound. Pitchers feel way more comfortable throwing balls in the dirt because they know Vaz will block them...yes, his framing has stolen quite a few strikes already...theres WAY too much intangibles for a catcher to look at a couple stats and say his skills are basically overrated...there is no way Swihart is in the same level as Vaz is on D. Let all the other teams undervalue the catcher because they rely on some defensive stats that are already questionable...the intangibles...THATS what seperates the elite one...thats where Vaz excels... All those other players were not catchers. I understamd having patience, but when your pitchers are not comfortable with him behind the plate yet, then you shouldnt use him...yet. He needs to be on a low market team if hes going to catch in MLB right now. Holt is hurt so Swihart will now get some reps in LF. Hes still got plenty of value as a catcher. Most of his reps are behind the plate in AAA Also, yes, Vaz CAN hit..im so tired of people saying he cant hit. Hes been out for a year. Where is the patience for that? Will he be as good as Swihart? Maybe not, but to think hes an automatic out shows they havent been watching him. Solid approach at the plate and has solid gap to gap power. Drove in three the other night and will run into a few HR over the course of a season...if he hits 250 310 390 thats good enough for me. Im also of the opinion that Vaz will improve offensively like Yadi did. Tek didnt really come into his offensive skills til the late 20's. I think Vaz will do the same without as much power.

Having a stud like trout would be incrdible for sure...Unfortunately he will also hurt the present and the future of this team with the players we would give up...but i do understand trying to figure out a way to do it.

Not sure how he did it greeny...i was just as surprised.

With guys like Mookie, JBJ, Benni, and even Swihart in LF, we have a very productive OF for less than 2m...and remember, were going to have to extend some of these guys..Xander and Mookie will probably be first in line the next year or two, then JBJ if hes still here...And please keep in mind that we NEED another TOTR arm, which is going to cost us some prospects.

Without Xander and Mookie? Probably, but we will still need a starter. Especially if Espinoza is traded, leaving only Kopech. Those would be all our trading chips for an OFer, which we dont need, and we would still NEED a starter...makes no sense what so ever for the Sox to make that deal. None at all. Pitching pitching pitching....thats the only spot those kids should be moved for. Besides, The Halos will want Xander or Mookie...or maybe even both in that deal.. PASS

Looks like both will be on the DL and the Sox call up Ramirez and Swihart...my guess is Swihart will be used mostly in Lf while Holt is out so we dont lose that LHH in the lineup. http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2016/05/20/carson-smith-elbow-brock-holt-concussion-head-to-disabled-list-noe-ramriez-blake-swihart-promoted/

Not at all...he can, and probably will be a good catcher one day...Its just gonna take a bit more time to get there is all.

Absolutely, it all depends on whos in it, or who thinks theyre in it at the deadline. We may have to wait until the offseason for the big pitching move and may have to go the route like in 2013 with Peavy this year. Still two months+ to go, and a whole lot can hapoen between now and then...for now we can get by with what we have and a powerful offense.

Why all the fascination with a #3-4 pitcher? You need two solid TOTR guys for a deep playoff run. Porcello has had one year with an era below 4 and hes our closest to Price, who is proven and a CY Award winner. I doubt Chen was the piece that would have put us over the top this year.

Id rather trade some of our prospect surplus and get another TOTR starter. Why even mess with anything else? Makes zero sense to me. Anything other than a bonified 1-1A I could care less. Im just tired of these 4-5 era guys and one good one. Id like a couple low to sub 3 guys if at all possible and would be more than willing to pay for it. Our offense looks to be pretty good for a long time, so lets go get a Young, controlled starter.