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I think JBJ will return to his average for the last 3 years. About .250 , .780 OPS, 60 ish rbi's for 145 games, about 15 HR's. I don't have a big problem with his bat because of his great D. BUT . . . Right now, JBJ needs to sit, & he needs to listen! He needs to keep his head on the ball, and go with the pitch. Sitting on inside fastballs almost exclusively is getting him tied up in knots. Every swing is the same these days. He's swinging from his arss, tilting his head left, and his eyes, shoulders, & head are flying to the right. Remy nailed it yesterday, & I've slowed down his every swing for the past month. Juxtapose JDM's swing with JBJ'S. IT'S night & day. JDM keeps his head on the ball all the way through the swing. He goes with the pitch, and has solid "head discipline" all the way through. Jackie is simply flailing away up there, & not seeing the pitch all the way through the zone. He needs to sit for a while.

How many .100 hitters stay in the majors? How many .200 hitters stay in the majors?

Once Pedey comes back ... Mookie Beni Hanley JDM Bogie Pedey Mooreland Devers Vaz ........ Pedey Devers Vaz JBJ I would prefer Mooreland in & JBJ out as often as possible right now. In fact, JBJ desperately needs a long rest.

Yikes! At least we'Re taking some heat off of Jackie! Time for a "Devers is SHYTE" thread? Kidding! We'll give the kid some slack. Hope he can calm it down.

You are entitled to call it hyperbole, but saying "the game has sped up on him, & he can't seem to slow it down," which is a common problem with young mlb players, is hardly hyperbolic rhetoric. It's clearly a fact. Call it the yips if you like. Call it "tightening up" if you like. The kid has even been trying to play it "super cool" with the side / almost undercut toss, as he air mailed today. Whatever you want to call it, it is most definitely "the game speeding up in his head," which plays games with your body. I've been there. I played a good deal of the hot box, and trust me, when you get in that rut, it's tough to break out. You develop awful habits, especially when you know you have eyes watching you closely. It's usually a good idea to take a step back. The freedom to make mistakes where it doesn't matter. Build back good habits where the coach can talk to you after every play. Watch tape. Learn where you need to settle things down. Now, if you want to say it's hyperbolic to be talking about trading the kid? Sure. I was definitely jumping the gun on that talk. Saying the Sox big time rushed the kid because of the Pablo situation? Now that's just a fact. No worries. I see your point. I'm willing to be patient with the kid for a while.

Likely take quite a bit more, but you never know. If they're out of it, & that is LIKELY to be soon if not now, a deal could be made? I'd sure love to see the Sox take a run at it though!!!!

No way in hell Devers moves to 1st. I keep hearing that, but it makes no sense. You don't replace either Hanley or Mooreland at 1st, as that is the only position they can play. Besides, both bats are superior to Devers. Besides, who do you put at 3rd in this scenario? It also moves Hanley to DH, JDM to LF, & Mooreland to the bench. No way that happens. Now that really makes no sense. Machado? I'd give up Swi & a prospect to be named for a 1 year rental in a heartbeat. That would make the Sox the odds on favorite for the WS.

Actually, I would respectfully disagree. His footwork is not at all fine. He's a footloose fast dancer. Riverdancer. The kid has "happy feet." That's from the pressure. He can't settle himself down, and his head and body are racing. He's not settling his body before the throw. There are also numerous times, especially to his left, when he dives at the ball when it's not at all necessary, making the gathering and throwing exponentially more difficult. Again, the game quickly speeds up on this kid, and he is making bad throws on an almost daily basis. It is what it is. Tough infield with Devers, Nuner, & Hanley in there. Having said that, Hanley has done ok in there, and I love his attitude this year.

LOL :0 I Think I just did? I honestly do like the kid, & think he could turn out to be pretty good? I simply don't think it's best to expose his learning curve to the world, and develop lots of bad habits. The kid is not ready to field the position in the bigs. That's obvious. It's not nec. his glove either. I doubt he's able to slow the game down for himself to a pace where he can handle the pressure of the hot box!?? Better to learn in the minors, and put a decent / serviceable glove there this year. & yeh. If we could rent Machado & not give up too much, that would be fantastic! Not sure any of this is earthshettering opinion? Do you?

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I'm not so sure. You'Re already way over-budget. I'd be willing to rent the guy for a legit BIG TIME shot at a WS. O's are about out of it already. Not totally convinced Devers is a good long term fit at 3rd, 1st, or DH!?

Back to JBJ, REMY just summed up what I've been saying about JBJ, vis a vis "head discipline, or keeping his head on the ball." As Jerry put it, juxtapose the head shots of JBJ vs. JD Martinez on contact. JD's head & eyes are ON THE BALL, where as JBJ's head tilts to the left, his head turning to the right, and shoulders flying consequently. I've heard some mock this, but every game, I watch his swing on ultra slow mo, and it is not a theory, but a fact.

Secondarily . . . I would part with all 3+ cash to get Machado. The O's can't afford his free-agent signing, so I rent him for the year, and consider going after him in free agency. We desperately need a really good 3rd base to make a WS run against the Yankees.

Nope. Right now, I'd take a kid, with a SOLID glove, who is a decent hitter & very good prospect. I am probably. Preferably, I'd use a solid 3rd base prospect in house, or a semi-decent hitting journeyman 3rd baseman, & send Devers back where he belongs. I'd give the kid the time he needs to develop. He's actually worse than Panda in the field, and CAN'T hit breaking stuff. That's my big concern. He simply needs a couple years to learn, slow things down, & season. He's simply not ready for the mlb.

These are tortured arguments. Many laughably so. The only questions right now are . . . can the Red Sox carry a lineup with 2 glaring holes JBJ & Vaz? How many game changing plays does JBJ make over JDM? How much worse is out outfield D with Beni in CF, Mookie in RF, & JDM in Left? What is the likelihood that Jackie turns it around? Is his norm, say the last 3 seasons, where he hit roughly .250, an OPS around .790, roughly 15 - 20 HR's per season playing around 130 games per season (barring injury), & knocking in about 60 rbi's, good enough given his great glove? Would it be better to keep JBJ as an outfield sub & late game D replacement, and let JD Martinez play as our full-time LF'r? Is JD MARTINEZ really that bad to where this just can't happen? Is our lineup th a t much better with Mooreland full time every day, Hanley our DH, and JDM in Left? I think it's time to find out. Jackie needs to sit, and Mooreland becomes the 1st baseman, Hanley DH, & JDM becomes our LF'r. No trade. JBJ needs to build value as our sub. All these stats can be constructed in a way to prove anything. Bottom line is th a t with HanRam, Mooreland, & JDM in the meat of this batting order, added to Mookie, Bogie, Pedey, & Beni, this becomes a highly fearsome lineup. I think Vaz turns it on, but Devers 8s becoming a REAL problem. We may need to make a move at 3rd? Perhaps the Sox could package JBJ, swi, & Devers for a real 3rd baseman ? Whatever the case, it is time to give JBJ a good long rest.

LOL :0 I swear, if JBJ spent 1/2 the time he spent last year learning those routines, he'd be at least a slightly below average hitter. I'd be f***ing fantastic with slightly below avg.

Please tell me that is a video from last year!!! Those f'ing dances were ridiculous !

Ok I'm back on board with DP! HE'S the f'ING man!! Perhaps he's just alergic to pinstripes?

If nothing else, at least we don't have to watch in a dance routine after every win. It always bothered me that he could perform better in a choreographed dance routine than in the batter's box!

I'd sit him again after that at bat. Same swing from his ass, with a RISP. Same head flying on every swing. Same results.

Since last year's All-Star Break, JBJ is said to have . . . . The mlb's League leading WORST OPS? It sure feels like it,

If true, GREAT NEWS!

Ok... gloves off! It these f***ers don't start hitting, I'M gonna f***ing lose it! The Red Sox that is...

LOL :0 TRUE! But ya gotta give the kid credit. He may be OFF THE WALL, but he's still a fan. For that, I have to give him props. Perhaps not MAJOR PROPS, but props none the less. I'm not sure why anybody worries about this stuff. I just find it funny. Then again, I just don't give a s*** how somebody 'roots,' so long as they get around to rooting.

HE has an EXCEPTIONAL eye, and a fantastic swing! IF he puts it together, the kid is going to soar!