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To expand on the drafting expectations, what pitchers did Cherington miss out on? 2012 - Lance McCullers. But McCullers was a signability case and Houston took the cheapest of the #1 overall pick candidates (Carlos Correa) to save money to get him. The Sox did draft Casron Fullmer in that draft, but he did not sign and went to college. 2013 - The Sox did pass on plenty of pitchers better than Trey Ball including Corey Knebel, oft-injured Marco Gonzalez, Nick Pivetta, Matt Boyd and Zack Godley. None of these guys reminds me of Clemens. This was really one of the weakest draft classes in recent memory, especially for pitching. 2014 - The Sox did draft Kopech. They did pass on Justus Sheffield and Luke Weaver, but so did a lot of teams. Ditto for Mitch Keller, Jordan Montogomery, and JackFlaherty. There are a lot of guys still undetermined in this draft, including some I mentioned. 2015 - The Sox did pass on Carson Fullmer and Walker Buehler, but did so to take Andrew Benintendi. What Clemens/Hurst type did he miss out on? Maybe McCullers, but that's really about it...
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Swihart was also drafted by Theo. If Swihart's lack of development is the fault of Cherington, then shouldn't the development of Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, Shaw, Benintendi, Moncada, Kopech, Devers, Vazquez, etc. be to his credit to the same degree? Or do we only hold GMs accountable for their failures? Cherington only lead 4 drafts for the Sox. While he did draft a few ancillary relievers (Johnson, Poyner, Maddox and Buttrey), he did not get much pitching. But he did acquire ERod. Most of the young ace type pitchers that fans want to see come up through the system have been an issue for Boston because they have been picking later in most drafts. And they haven't really picked early often enough to avoid normal attrition of prospects. Really, they took one shot and it didn't work out. Whil their drafting of pitchers has not been good, your expectations might be too high. You expected a Roger Clemens? Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers in MLB history. Those guys don't come along every year.
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Do we really know he is telling the truth? I wouldn't trust anyone with a mustache reminiscent of a cartoon super villain...
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Given the Sox depth at starting pitcher, E-Rod is hardly a trade chip. Relievers can be had for very little and still turn out to be effective, as has been noted already (Ziegler, Reed). Of course, it is only May 18, and very few teams are looking to make moves just yet. Even the teams who realize they are hopelessly out of it are going to wait for more bidders in order to get the best offer. The best think Dombrowski can do is maybe look at the relievers who have not signed anywhere yet, and there still are a few available. The problem is, many of them are way, way behind in getting ready for the season and won't be available to step right in...
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The Sox had a pretty amazing run of successful prospect development under Cherington, and having one prospect who never made it for a variety of reasons doesn't change this. If you look at the Sox starting lineup, everyone but JD Martinez came up through the Sox system (when Pedroia returns to 2B), and only Pedroia and Hanley made MLB before Cherington became the Sox GM. Even elite prospects don't make it all the time for every team. The only real issue seems to be unrealistic fan expectations that ignore this history...
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I think he will have a decent enough career as a major leaguer, most likely just as a bench player or reserve. He just won't have one in Boston, but he will still make more money than I will ever see...
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Betts brings to memory one heck of a player.
notin replied to dustcover's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Or maybe it was when he jumped into Boston harbor to save those two women. Beyond media and fan speculation, was Nomar ever definitively linked to PED usage? He never failed a test and was not named by any sources, wasn't in the Mitchell Report, and was not invovled with BALCO or Biogenesis. -
Baseball in general had a massive cocaine problem in the 1980's, headlined by Steve Howe and his seven or so lifetime suspensions, as well as the 4 members of the KC Royals (Willie Wilson, Willie Aikens, Vida Blue and Jerry Martin) spending their off-season in prison on possession charges. The decade ended with famous Pittsburgh Drug Trials, where numerous players testified about their on-field and in-game use of cocaine,most memeorable of whom was Tim Raines, who testified in court that he used to slide into second base head first so as not to break vials of cocaine he had in his back pocket. It was after this that baseball started instituting their drug policies, which were to root out cocaine originally, but included all illegal drugs. And that was what evolved into today's steroid policies...
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Betts brings to memory one heck of a player.
notin replied to dustcover's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The Boston media, especially the Herald and most definitely especially Steve Buckley, had a very bad habit of proliferating that type of negativity about Sox players and over blowing any story whenever they had the chance. Remember when Buckley ripped Clemens for throwing a package of hot dog rolls at a reporter, like it was comparable to Joey/Albert Belle throwing baseballs at photographers? Hot dog rolls? That crew the Herald had, with Buckley and Tony Massarotti and Gerry Callahan, had to be the worst crew I've ever come across when it came to covering sports. -
Swihart may have picked the right week to demand a trade. Both Jason Castro and Matt Wieters went down this week and both are likely to be out for a long time, if not all season...
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Betts brings to memory one heck of a player.
notin replied to dustcover's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
This always struck me as another of those situations where fans thought they knew the whole story... -
Did you see what Addison Reed was acquired for last year? 3 no name prospects not even ranked in a weak farm system, at most one of whom will ever see an MLB game without buying a ticket...
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And then the fans ripped them for it...
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I updated that already. But really they have not wanted him behind the plate through 2 managers now...
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He started 78 games at catcher for Boston in 2015 and only 6 since. Really he probably only started that many because Vazquez was out that year and the Sox didn't have anyone better and very little time to get anyone else. Vazquez was ahead of him in the catching queue when the Sox finally gave up on AJ Pierzynski in 2014. In fact, it might have been the play of Swihart behind the plate that lead to the acquisition of Leon... And Sandy Leon did not arrive until midway through 2015, where he played sparsely. He followed that up with a 2016 season in which his superior defense and a crazy BABIP-fueled hot streak appears to have launched him ahead of Swihart in the depth chart.
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I see this this exact comment all the time. What exactly is the definition of a "Championship caliber team?
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This
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What exactly do you see in Swihart that apparently all the Sox scouts and upper management and coaches don't see? And when did you see it?
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Roger Clemens?
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So the Sox biggest weakness is the backup catcher?
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NL managers do it all the time...
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Playoffs? The Mariners have not been there since 2001. Mariner fans born during that playoff run are driving cars now...
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Did Kimbrel retire?
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The Sox had a good stretch of some elite prospect development. Look at their starting lineup. When Pedroia returns, only JD will remain as the sole starter who wasn't scouted, drafted/signed and developed within the Sox minor leagues. But even highly ranked prospects fail, and that isn't the fault of the system. It happens to every team. 30% of all first round picks never make the majors. And about 30% of all BA Top 100 prospects never make the majors for more than a brief call up or a September roster expansion. It's just part of the attrition of the game, and a complete overhaul won't change it...
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But will the improved version of Swihart ever be even as good as Leon is now?
