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Actually a lot of defensive metrics are automated. The biggest issue is still the questions of interpretation. While fans expect clear cut rankings and “better” and “worse” players clearly defined and ranked, sometimes the differences in defensive metrics are too slight because the differences in the talents of the players are too slight. Arguing that there is no equivalent in offensive metrics just shows how you have let complacency set in. A “hit” is only a “hit” when the official scorer says so, and plenty of them are questionable and inconsistent with other scorers. Same goes for walks, since not all umpires have the same strike zone...
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Let’s be fair. There is no bigger joke when it comes to defensive evaluation than the Gold Glove Award used to be. You know, back when it refused to acknowledge outfield was three positions and Derek Jeter was winning multiple times. Nowadays, SABR has actually been involved in adding a sabermetrics component to the balloting process. So the irony here is the process Elktonnick does take seriously actually uses the process he doesn’t...
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The Gold Glove is like the Oscar. Sometimes it just goes to someone with a distinguished career and doesn’t take into account its own actual criteria...
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... and backed up by a Yankee fan on this forum who views the entire world through pinstriped glasses...
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Again, please explain the scientific validity behind Gold Glove balloting? No one ever said UZR was perfect, but nothing he says there cannot be said about batting average. Shall we disregard that stat in favor of the “more scientific” Silver Slugger balloting?
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I’d like to know what makes Gold Gloves ballots valid from a scientific standpoint. Or do you allow the criteria to waiver in favor of the methods you like better? Also, shouldn’t it be “Joe Torre and Gold Gloves vs. UZR”? I think we can all agree, baseball forum input is the least reliable method of the three, but the preference for JT and GG over, say, me isn’t even close to a condemnation of the statistical analysis done for UZR (and DRS, which was in the article)...
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So you prefer the old flawed system over the new flawed system? Don’t forget, UZR does compare to league averages. It’s not like Jeter was the only shortstop ever to position himself outside the center of range. Worth pointing out that article focuses on DRS, and Cashman clearly had some faith in the numbers...
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Are you suggesting Salazar or Miley? Salazar is a waste on anything but a minor league deal. Miley certainly makes some sense...
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Yeah that’s not really what it says...
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Well the man’s bat was certainly a factor in keeping him in the lineup
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Gold Gloves have always been the most questionable award, highlighted by the awarding of one to Rafael Palmeiro in a season where he was almost exclusively a DH. But I guess when players and coaches vote, that’s what happens. He really wasn’t the worst, but a big part of the reason are the two players I mentioned. Jeter has dozens of counterparts capable of doing everything he did on the field. And in many cases, more than he did. Were than any other worse shortstops I forgot? Jhonny Peralta and his 0 Gold Gloves would be the epitome of the “no range but makes the routine plays consistently” shortstop...
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I actually would say he was closer to being the worst than the best - although some minimum innings criteria is needed. Consistency is nice, but it puts you in the pack; it doesn’t desperate you from it. That range is negated by current strategies (which isn’t true at all) is irrelevant here since those strategies were not employed during Jeter’s career. But really, when trying to disprove who or what was the worst or best or really, any extreme, it’s not readily disproved by describing what makes it ordinary. Now one better method would be to say who was worse. FWIW, I wouldn’t say Jeter was the worst defensive shortstop of his era, either. But I might say he was the worst one not named “Hanley” or “Yuniesky”....
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Or the movie could focus on ERod and be called “A Force of One.” If ERod does get hurt, the title could be “And Then There Were None”...
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Cherrington leading candidate for Pirates Job
notin replied to Elktonnick's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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Yes. With 1b being largely regarded as the “easiest” position...
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Well look around MLB. Nearly every team has a starter who changed positions at the MLB level.
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He has. Really to me, the best defensive 3b of the two should play 3b. Dalbec is taller, which is an advantage at 1b. Or maybe Dalbec is trade bait. 1b doesn’t strike me as a tough spot to fill...
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It really does happen all the time. We have fans on this board screaming for JD Martinez to grab a 1b mitt. Look around the league. Players change positions on every team. And on most teams, the only player you need to look at is the 1b...
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True. Our posts are inconsequential and meaningless. The difference is, I can only make suggestions based on what I see as players and some stats, because taking the personalities of people I don’t know and have never met into account is tantamount to guesswork. I do realize many and probably nearly all players are insanely confident and have some sort of “nothing I can’t do” mentality, so typically the notion of change isn’t a big deal. In fact, my guess would be that players without that mentality struggle to ever make MLB regardless of talent. After all, if no one ever changed positions, three quarters of the league would be shortstops...
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They’re even married to the same woman...
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Tell that to Moreland and Pearce...
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I assumed nothing and my original idea made no mention of Devers reaction. That was your input. “Employees” plural might be resistant to change. But that doesn’t mean every individual is. And when it comes to MLB players, they change positions far more often than you realize. It’s a safe bet that the starting lineup of every MLB team has at least one player who has changed positions since AAA ball. Most probably have more....
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It’s not about opinions. It’s about other possibilities. I know a lot of fans write off the stats guys as missing the “human element” of the game. But a really big part of the human element isn’t assuming all people react the same to the same situations. Humans are more than a collection of sweeping generalizations...
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I think the bigger factor in moving Betts to the outfield was the horrific start to his career at the plate by Jackie Bradley Jr. This also may have been a significant factor in signing Rusney Castillo. I don’t think it’s fair to say moving his position is the wrong message or a blow to his confidence. That’s the kind of thing you’d have to know Devers to be sure of. He also might look at it like “Hey they think I can do anything.”...
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I doubt Devers would struggle much with the change, just like Betts didn’t struggle much (or at all) when moved to the OF...
