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Buehler's Day off Bauer's excellent signing.
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I'll take the Sox 11 year and 21 year history over the Rays, Dodgers, Yankees, Cardinals, Giants or anyone else.
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To account for the 2020 season, let's use the .556 win% (90 wins.) Since 2008, a .556 + % ... 16 Seasons 12 LAD, including 11 straight 10 TBR 9 NYY 8 BOS (13 in last 22 and 14 in last 25) Wins since 2008: 1458 LAD 1419 NYY 1366 TBR 1360 STL 1334 BOS 1329 ATL 1296 MIL Since 2018: 558 LAD 530 HOU 515 ATL 511 TBR 509 NYY 487 MIL 467 CLE 464 BOS 463 STL 453 MIN
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...and their ring year was the 2020* season.
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Agreed. Like Bloom, I do not think Brez is choosing not to spend money available for him to spend.
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It's the no rings thing that has been the anti-Rays banner.
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Other than trading Mookie & Price (and Beni to a lesser degree), we don 't trade stars away near the end of the control years, either. That was a doozie, but had we traded Bogey, JD, Nate, Sale (earlier), JT, Duvall, Wacha, ERod and others, we'd have a better looking roster, right now. The idea, I believe, was to be like the Rays but to have the ability to keep some of the stars longer or to be able to sign more FAs to plug holes. Trading stars before they decline is an art form that is usually met with disdain by the fanbase. The Rays have countless examples of adding players who have career years and then letting them go, quickly and usually just in time. Look how Bloom was roasted for trading Betts. Imagine the climate, if he had traded Bogey, Nate, JD and others for more than lousy comp picks.
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I knew these guys were masters of early and lengthy extensions, but the numbers I found surprised me, too. There were probably more from before Zobrist and Shields. Some big names on the list, along with the swings and misses. If we are really Tampa Bay North, where are our extensions?
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They did get some nice returns on players traded away, at times. For Matt Garza, they got Chris Archer, Fuld & Chirino For Archer, they got Glasnow & Meadows For Shields & Davis, they got Odorizzi, Mike Myers and Mike Montgomery I can't remember all the trades: there were so many. In researching all the Rays' extensions given, the sheer number surprised even me.
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Yes, all signed major extensions with TBR...and more.... 11 yrs W Franco '22 + option 7 yrs Longoria '08 6 yrs Archer '14 + options 6 yrs B Lowe '19 + options 6 yrs Kiermaier + option 6 yrs Price '07 6 Crawford '05 5 Moore '12 + 2 options 5 Snell '19 5 Niemann '05 4 yrs Zobrist '10 4 yrs Shields '08 + 3 options 4 yrs W Davis '11 + 2 options 3 yrs Kazmir '09 + 1 option 3 yrs D Wheeler '08 + 1 option 3 yrs R Hanigan '14, H Bell +1 option '12, D Span 3+1 '16 The Rays are for real in extending players, and yes, they trade many when their cost gets higher. Count the option years: 12 Franco 8 Archer 8 Lowe 7 Longoria 7 Kiermaier 7 Moore 7 Sheilds 6 Price 6 Crawford 6 Wade Davis 5 Snell 5 Niemann 4 Fairbanks, Kazmir & Wheeler
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Yes, I said "rankings matter." It's a major reason we have been passed in the W-L standings, along with too few major impact farm impact players and mistakes made on the spending we did make. Raising spending by $51M from '20 to '22 could have been enough to compete, if we had spent it correctly and had more farm help than just Houck in a 5 year stretch. BTW, here are the spending increases by a few teams: 2021>2023 in $Ms 207>300>375 NYM +167 111>161>242 TEX +133 166>198>258 TOR +92 208>268>296 NYY +88 173>214>249 ATL +76 216>235>291 SDP +75 166>181>230 CHC +74 209>244>255 PHI +46 208>236>226 BOS +18 (It was +28M until the drop in '23) Dodgers up $89M from '00>'22 and $64M from '00 to '23
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Blake Snell (Traded for 4 players) Brandon Lowe (has dipped but still pretty good) Matt Moore (traded for 3 players) Chris Archer (traded for Glasnow and Meadows) Kevin Kiermaier (one of the few to end his long contract with TBR) Ben Zobrist (traded for 3 players) (They probably should have traded Longoria before his production dipped.)
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Not sure what this has to do with my post that argues we don't know jack about how JH will spend, next year and beyond.
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Rankings does matter, more, but at least 3 of the teams that passed us were spending like maniacs, and I did not expect JH to follow their path. Also, part of the reason our big jump in spending from "20 to'22 occurred was because there was such a massive budget cut from '19 to '20. If you look at our payroll from '18 and '19 to '22, there is a slight drop: $192 in '17 $239 in '18 $244 in '19 $207 in '21 $236 in '22 $226 in '23, so far
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've mentioned this, before, and agree. If you don't look at rankings, this recent dip in spending is one year long. Even adjusting for inflation, the rise in payroll from 2020 to 2022 was one of the largest 2 season increases in payroll in the two decades of JH's era. CB TAX lines: $192M in '17> $243M in '19= +$51M $185M in '20> $236M in '22= +$51M. +$39M from '05>'07 Biggest one year drops: $59M '19>'20 $12M '16>'17 $10M '22>'23 (so far) Before the CBTax, we dropped $14M in EOY payroll from '04 to '05. This is not a defense of JH & Co, but just adding context. (Note: these numbers are not adjusted for inflation.)
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I'm hoping I might approach this attitude by game one. I do know, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to try and watch every pitch of every game, once again. I've been through lean times and hopeless stretches longer than 2 seasons. There have been worse Sox teams than this one, and the thing that upsets me the most is that this team is actually good enough to be two major additions away from being a playoff contender and maybe even more. I would not be this down, if we needed 4 SP'ers, a closer and 3 everyday players to compete. Just getting up to the tax line could get us there.
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I have no proof or evidence to show JH intends to spend big, again, sometime soon, but there is also no evidence to show he will continue being a budget miser.
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I said "should."
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Same boat on pitching, yes, but adding those three is no minor blip, hopefully. Perhaps, ownership will wake up and see a window has arrived and spend more than $12M on the rotation for the first time since the Sale and Nate contracts.
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According to Steve the Ump, the Sox ranked as such in player payrolls: 6th in 2003 ($7M from 3rd) 2nd in '04 2nd in "05 & '06 2nd in '07 4th in '08($4M from 2nd) 4th in '09 ($13M from 2nd) 2nd in '10 3rd in '11 & '12 4th in '13 ($15M from 3rd) 4th in '14 3rd in '15, '16 & '17 1st in '18 1st in '19 3rd in '20 & 21 6th in '22 ($13M from 5th) 13th in '23 ($5M from 10th and $30M from 6th)
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Except, Anthony, Teel and Mayer should be ML ready, and guys like Rafaela, Abreu, Grissom and others will be better known commodities.
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Since 2021, he has more IP (367) than most of the guys we have starting and 3.76 xFIP. 38. Nate 3.63 39. Gray 3.65 44. Wood 3.76 45. Cease 3.76 49. Luzardo 3.81 57. Verlander 3.87 59. ERod 3.89 68. Giolito 3.97 69. Bello 3.97 151 pitchers with 200+ IP since 2021.
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Alex Wood to sign with A's.
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Maybe he wanted to do this, but were often the #1 or #2 spending team in MLB for over a decade under JH.
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I few posters brought this up months and even years ago, and were widely laughed at.
