moonslav59

Great numbers- remember ages 27-36 is 10 years not 27-37.

I know the odds are against most 8+ year deals, but those that started at 27 or 28 have a better record. I'm also not saying Betts will be great at 35 or 36, but I would bet he'll have better numbers than Machado and Harper at ages 33-36.

Players don't often come out in numbers to defend someone they dislike.

Yes, and those two deals started at relatively young ages- like Betts's would.

Come on Slasher. You have the facts mixed up. I, too, thought his antics after our LF'er made an error were way out of line, but upon the explanation and watching the replay again, I believed the story, and his teammates lined up to defend him afterwards. I believed them, too, but I suppose they could have all been lying. Do you have even one statement from an ex-teammate that says he was a bad teammate? He was a fierce competitor, and hated to lose. He lost it many times, when things went badly.

I'm no expert, so tell me, does anyone with Sale's type of symptoms ever get better without surgery? Or, is everyone doomed like you make him out to be? Not knowing the severity of his tendinitis, how can you possible know the odds? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, and I'm assuming you know more about tendinitis than I do, but I'd like an explanation.

The other part of the equation is about him producing more than he's earning for the first 5-6 years of the suggested 10 year deal. In theory, if he over-produces by $40M and then under-produces by $30M the last 4-5 years, he'd still have been an overall plus. BTW, Rickey had an .870 OPS from age 26-35 and an .861 from age 27 to 36. Betts has better power, and power ages better, but even if he declines like Rickey did, he'd be worth a 10 year deal.

True. After all, it was a pot luck dinner.

...and maybe he keeps needing a job because he doesn't actually do anything of value, but he keeps getting the next job out of name recognition.

Yes, but he keeps leaving teams, too.

Reminds me of the fans and media jumped all over Lackey for being a poor teammate. It turned out his antics were directed at himself not the other players, they knew it and they loved him. I agree. We don't know jack s*** about what goes on in the clubhouse and the hearts and souls of every or most players.

Do we know that?

I never forgot, and don't feel so bad about his contract because of that fact.

I'm hopeful but would not bet on a big season from Sale.

The odds are very long we spend more than a penny more at 2B than what we do now. We have budget issues. We have higher needs than 2B: 1) SP 2) RP 3) OF (to replace JBJ)RP 4) 1B (Chavis does not provide the offense needed at 1B) 5) RP 6) Back-up catcher (assuming Leon is non tendered) 7) 4th OF'er, especially if JBJ's replacement is questionable 8) SP depth 9) 2B I have 2B about 7th to 9th on our needs list, and we may only be able to address 2-5 on the list, and that's going to be hard to do with frugality.

The .403 OBP part of that .811 makes it better, but it's not all that great, yes.

True, but Pedey's presence has nothing to do with our choices for the 2019 2B job. If we didn't have Chavis, Lin, Marco and Chatham, we'd be acquiring someone. It's not Pedey holding us back.

It's hard for me to hold one bad statement against a guy who seemingly gave it his all for many years. Sure, it upset me and his teammates, but I'm not sure any of us know how his teammates still view him- knowing his history not just that one moment in time.

I'm expecting 0 innings or PAs from Pedey, but we're paying the guy, so I'm fine with him hanging on. It's not like he's blocking anyone special or taking away a 40 man roster spot from someone worth holding onto.

The $300M/10 counts as just $30M against the tax. The $240M counts as $42M. That 412M could be used to sign a nice FA. Of course, the last 4 years would be $30M vs $0. IMO, contract costs will keep rising, the next player contract with MLB will help the players make more, so I think the $60M/4 difference could be okay, even if Betts hits .780 the last 4 years combined.

If a normal job still had to pay a guy for two years, they'd find something for him to do, even if he couldn't do the job he was hired to do.

Yes, I was kind of thinking of the mid 80's Boggs playing in '78- kind of unrealistic, I know. It's like saying, "Imagine if we had the 1967 Yaz in 1975 or 2019.

He used K rate first, until I told him he had his highest K/9 of his career in 2019, then he switched to HR/9 rates to make his point.

It serves no purpose to release him. It can't hurt to see what he's got for the 17th time.

We have so many slots open on the 40 man roster, we may even protect Ockimey! Plus, we'll put Pedey on the 60 day DL, once the season starts, so the only thing he effects, right now, is the number of rule 5 guys we can protect. Would anybody here cry, if we DFA'd any of these current 40 man roster guys tomorrow? Denyi Reyes Trevor Kelley Or, traded these guys for a non-40 man roster prospect? Velazquez Johnson Shawaryn Poyner Travis Brewer Lakins Brasier Weber Plus, we'll likely say good bye to JBJ, Leon & Hembree. Sure, we won't ax all 14 of these guys, but we only have 34 on the roster now and maybe 4-6 guys to protect on rule 5. Rule 5 List: Christopher Acosta Fabian Andrade Yoan Aybar Roldani Baldwin Eduard Bazardo Gary Calvo Marino Campana Pedro Castellanos Rusney Castillo CJ Chatham Edgar Corcino Jake Cosart Ricardo Cubillan Keith Curcio Bobby Dalbec Enmanuel De Jesus Chad De La Guerra Jhonathan Diaz Jerry Downs Devon Fisher Matthew Gorst Kyle Hart Tommy Joseph Trenton Kemp Matt Kent Adam Lau Kevin Lenik Nick Lovullo Everlouis Lozada Austin Maddox Tate Matheny Daniel McGrath Samuel Miranda Oddanier Mosqueda Jhon Nunez Josh Ockimey Angel Padron Yorvin Pantoja Keibert Petit Roniel Raudes Austin Rei Hildemaro Requena Jeremy Rivera Kleiber Rodriguez Jagger Rusconi Alberto Schmidt Andrew Schwaab Nick Sciortino Kevin Steen Cole Sturgeon Kervin Suarez Domingo Tapia Luke Tendler Dylan Thompson Josh Tobias Konner Wade Marcus Wilson Tom Windle Jantzen Witte