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Eric Thames ,kole Calhoun available
moonslav59 replied to Swiharts Ghost's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'm coll and relaxws, until they put JD in the OF, then I'm on pins and needles. -
Non tendering JBJ or trading him gets us to the line. Trading Betts is one plan. Trading JD is another. Trading both would be a total rebuild, but even that plan has merits. Trading Price and/or Eovaldi won't save us much as we'd have to take salary back or give cash. Let's take the trade Betts plan. Yes, if we trade him, we'd be $28M under the tax line, assuming we don't get anyone higher than min salary in return. Then in theory, we can spend $28M a year on FAs to make us respectable in 2020, but I'd only sign players that look to help us beyond 2020. Some would be one year deals to allow us enough space that when JD opts out after 2020, we'll have enough space to sign Betts. (We should be able to go back over the line after the 2020 reset., even if JD does not opt out.) I don't think it's that complicated to understand. Yes, the fams paying for season tickets probably prefer to see Betts over Ozyuna and Smith or the other 4 I suggested below, but we'd be better positioned for 2021 without a doubt in my mind.
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I'm not saying we will trade him. The reasons you mention here are real enough to maybe cause us to at least wait until July, if ever. I'm a huge Betts fan. I want to see him stay in Boston forever. I think my position on offering him over $300M/10 might be the only poster here that has gone that high. I'm not sure I want to trade him, unless I see what we can get for him. I know that might be impossible until and unless he actually gets traded or some team admits to an actual offer made (rare). My point was about what we MIGHT want to do to make the rebuild quicker and better. Srely, trading Betts for something and then signing him in 2021 is better for teh rebuild than not doing it. Yes, it lessens our chances in 2020 and hurts our viewership for one year, but it might be worth it. IMO, our 2020 chances are slim, so I'm leaning towards making any deal that helps us in 2021 and beyond. I'd also be fine with waiting until July to see if we have a chance to win a ring in 2020. If we are out of it, then make some deals.
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Name one professional baseball analyst that says that, and are the factoring the FAs we can sign for $28M as part of the deal? You asked me to name names, now the ball is in your court. For $28M, according to professional analyst MLTR, we could sign: Ozuna & Will Smith or Teheran, Will Harris & , Daniel Hudson & Kole Calhoun
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You'd think, if nobody wants Betts at $28M, why would we?
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I guess 2 months of Miller is worth more than 6+ months of Betts according to Elk.
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I've been JBJ's biggest fan and supporter. I've defended him for years. I'd love to have him back, and I hope we can get him back, if we non tender him, but I would not pay $10-11M for his last arb salary. I'll miss him, if he goes. I'll hope we get a great defensive CF'er to replaced him. I'll wish him well where ever he goes.
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lol...
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I'm not saying I'd demand a ML ready package for Betts. I was just answering how we could still put a decent team on the field without Betts by getting ML players in return and using the money saved to fill in the 4-5 gaps we have right now. I'd be fine with getting a couple top prospects 1-2 years away that appear "can't miss".
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So, to use your logic, nobody wants Betts, or all we'll get is crap for a guy worth over $70M by one estimator.
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Just because I can't name names, and nobody can, doesn't mean I want to trade Betts for crap. If all that is offered is crap, I wouldn't trade him, but the salary lost is a big part of the trade. We can sign 4-5 decent players with $28M. I'm also for re-signing Betts in 2021 and would offer over $300M/10. I guess I could pull some names out of my hat. How about... To LAD for Joc Pederson and Yimi Garcia To PHI for Hector Neris & Scott Kingery Mookie & Price to SDP for Myers, Margot & Lamet I can come up with more, if it matters.
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Come on, really? Trades are made all the time for 2 month rentals who are way worse than Betts. We can get something very good for Betts, and if we demand it, not saying we should, ML ready players, we can get 2 or 3. The added value would be the FAs we sign with the $28M opened up in the budget. You must think Betts sucks. His $28M will scare many tgeams away, but he's worth $40M+++++/1 for 2020.
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Playing Red Sox GM: salary dump time!
moonslav59 replied to VJCPatriot's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
You certainly may be right, and he may just make a fair offer he knows won't be enough- just to save face for the Sox. -
Meredith did well, but he wasn't really a game changer.
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It was a panic, but sometimes a panic is needed.
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Yes, WAR rewards players who stay on the field, and that's not a bad thing as long as you recognize the context of WAR and what it represents. Perhaps a WAR/gm or Inning played/pitched could become a metric used to value who is better when they are on the field. This would be more like the stats people are used to using, like OBP, SLG, BA... All things being equal, a .400 OBP guy who plays 160 games is better than a .400 OBP guy who plays 130.
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Trading Betts & JBJ allows Bllom to spend nearly $28M on FAs this winter, plus what we get back for Betts, which could be ML ready players. We could still be competitive without Betts and JBJ, if Bloom does his thing with multiple small/moderate signings. We have a lot of gaps gto be considered a true contender for 2020, and I'm not even talking about us needing a bunch of players to get and stay healthy. We need a 5th SP'er. We need 2 decent RP'ers. We need a 1Bman. We may need a 2Bman. We need a back-up C. We need OF depth, even if we keep JBJ & Betts. To fill all these needs and be highly competitive in 2020, we'll be near the max line again. It ain't happening.
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Playing Red Sox GM: salary dump time!
moonslav59 replied to VJCPatriot's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'm not sure we can use his history with the highly restricted budget Rays as a blueprint on how Bllom thinks about long term mega deals. He may also get a directive from above that he should make a strong and fair offer to Betts. -
Eric Thames ,kole Calhoun available
moonslav59 replied to Swiharts Ghost's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I still would rather just have him play DH, except in NL parks. I do agree that 1B is better than the OF, and had we signed a RP'er instead of Pearce, maybe we'd have been better off this past year. -
I can see that happening. If we end up not winning it all, not making some trades this winter or next summer will slow the rebuild.
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12:1 is generous, but the real number that matters is how many teams have better odds?
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If I had just $24M to spend and not knowing who we got rid of to make that space(assume no JBJ and either Betts or JD gone), here's how I would spend it: $6M x 1 Calhoun RF $5M x 1 Strop RP $4M x 2 Lindblom SP $3M x 1 Akiyama RP $6M on Billy Hamilton, Keon Broxton, Juan Lagaress or Jarrod Dyson and a cheap 1Bman (Adams or Thames, if possible)
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Pitching wins rings. Many positional players signed to big deals have flopped, as well. I agree that deals should be no longer than 4-5 years, but I think there are rare exceptions.
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How about wins above Gorkys? WAG
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I'd prefer to spend the money saved by trading Betts, JD and a pitcher on more moderate players- looking for less risk by spreading the risk over several players. Let's use Bloom's skills to their best advantage- finding diamonds in the ruff. With more money to spend that he had in TB, maybe he can find even more and then occasionally splurging on a big name when the fit and need lines up.
