moonslav59

I know. I just responded to you because I felt tired of hearing Kike bashing, too. Get mad at Bloom for signing a .730 hitter. Get mad ar Cora for putting a .730 hitter up first. But why get mad at a .730 hitter hitting .730?

I can at least understand the hating on long slumping players, but Kike is giving us exactly what he’s given over his career.

Indeed!

A bad one, maybe.

Even though Casas is still in AA, I think he might "get the call" before Downs, but who knows?

Santana may platoon with Dalbec, starting soon or starting just vs some tough righties. Plus, we want Renfroe on the bench vs righties, too so Santana might do kind of a split platoon with Dalbec & Renfroe. Chavis should be next in line, until September. Ockimey is a very long shot, and just because his numbers vs righties are very good.

And even then, it might not be until next year, unless the rule 5 kids squeeze him out in December.

MIA (Porter) @ BOS (Perez) NYY (Cole) @ DET (Mize) TOR (Ryu) @ CLE (Morgan) TBR gets a very rare (and dumb) Friday Night off.

They are also overpaying Justin Upton, Fowler and Cobb. Thay are not a poor team because of Trout. Their lux tax number is over $160M without Trout.

If we cut him, he'll get a chance with someone else. I think he sees the bigs again, at some point- maybe even this year.

Agreed, but I mentioned his name, because we sent down an OF'er and Duran is going to the Olympics.

I'd give my left nut, and maybe even the right one, for just one brief stint in the bigs. Agreed- not sad.

This is all true. Where some of us seem to run into disagreement on is how long of a sample size do you give/need? I tend to want longer sample sizes than most here, but I'm not claiming to know more than anyone else. I may disagree with team management on some decisions or choices, but I trust they know more than I do. For a player like Cordero, who has "all the tools" and has shown some success is very scattered and small samples sizes over several year, couples with the fact that last season was one giant cluster-you-know-what, probably deserved an extra long look and chance to find a groove or show what he can do. As much as it hurt the team, with AAA not playing in April, he was kind of locked into the 26 man roster. I still think he can work his way back to the big club over the length of the team control we have on him. What he does in the minors may determine his ability to stay on the 40 man roster once the 5-6 rule 5 players are added in December. Chavis has some decent numbers in the bigs, spread out over 3 seasons, despite the high K rate and seemingly an inability to fix the holes in his swing. Once can argue his career numbers are fueled by a couple hot streaks in his career, but that can be said about a lot of players with samples sizes under 650. I was hoping he'd get an extra long look this year- not really because I think he'll be great or even good, but mostly so we can determine if he deserves a roster spot going forward. I hate holding onto AAAA type players, always wondering if they coulda been more, while taking up a roster space of someone more promising. If possible, find out what they got and move on. The 2021 season seemed perfect for this idea, until we started off winnings so much. Dalbec is a hard cookie to evaluate. His high OBP and power in the minors is not something you see often in a guy who K's 25-30% of the time. High OBP does not always translate to the bigs, and it hasn't really all that much, so far with Dalbec, but he doesn't even have 250 ML PAs, yet, and those 237 PAs are spread over 2 seasons. To me, he deserves a very long look, but with a team looking to make the playoffs, that is not always easy to do, when the guy is struggling vs RHPs so much. If you straight platoon him, now, he'll never be able to work on his swing vs righties- something he needs to do to become a solid player, and something we need to know if he can learn sooner rather than later. The guy is older than Verdugo and Devers. I'm not sure more time in the minors will tell us anything more than what we already know. I'd have no problem with the Sox letting all these three go, if I felt they all had a legitimate chance to prove they belong. I don't think any have, yet. I also don't think any are playing well enough, right now, to be FT players on a playoff team. Dalbec is vs LHPs, and I thought Chavis was looking okay in a very small sample size, but Santana looks better and Kike & Arroyo returned, so that was that. I hope Chavis and Cordero do well in AAA, and Dalbec makes the adjustments needed to stick around, but the more these guys play, the more we'll know.

And the guy we had before him... lol.

He’s not ready, now.

even if you add 25 points to everybody’s average due to the “dead ball” year, you still have too many duds.

.850 would be awesome. He’s getting a bit old to think he needs 2 full seasons more. I don’t think his leash is that long. To be honest, I really thought this would be the perfect season to give long looks for Dalbec, Chavis and others, so we can know who to keep and who to move on from and make room for our top prospects. This winning has messed all our plans up.

Even if you just come back with $320M/10 or even $320/11, it's something. It may look insulting, but I'd rather see that than nothing. Besides, who ever gives their top offer on their first one?

Last night in AAA, Brandon Workman was a bright spot out of the bullpen, striking out a pair in a perfect sixth inning and throwing 11 of 13 pitches for strikes.

Dalbec does look "lost at the plate" often. His K rate is one of the highest on the team. His good OBP in the minors has not transferred over to the bigs (yet?). He does have some real big hits for the team and when he does make contact he hits it harder than everyone, except Bogey and marwin: LD% 32% Bogey 28% Marwin 27% Dalbec I like to look at the positive: He brought his OPS from .507 to .650 in just a couple weeks. His career OPS in MLB is .767, which is not bad for a player's first 235 ML PAs. I'm not trying to negate the bad. I am thinking platoon at some point, myself.

I'm still a huge Dalbec fan and supporter. His OBP was always very good in the minors, and I hope he can regain that in the bigs. I'm fine with him hitting .225 and striking our 50% of the time, if he gets on base over .340 and hits 35+ bombs per 650 PAs- platoon or otherwise.

I don't get that, though. You usually think, "what's the middle point," between $300/10 and $420/12? Maybe $360/11? Counter with somewhere between that and your first offer. That's Negotiations 101.

Brennen, Brewer or Wilson? Or, we add someone to the 40.

Santana is going to be the guy we use to give Dalbec a break vs RHPs here and there- maybe more and more, if Dalbec keeps struggling vs righties AND to take the role of playing OF vs RHPs. He's a switch hitter who hits righties better (.732 to .692 career), and if he can hit like he did in 2019, we'll have 5 good hitter not 4. 2019 pro-rated to 650 PAs: v RHP: .286 34 99 (.858 OPS) v LHP: .276 37 111 (.856 OPS) Rookie year (pro-rated) v R: .326 10 63 (.841 OPS) 61 XBHs & 26 SB/8 CS v L: .310 9 54 (.786) 55 XBHs & 39 SB/0 CS If Santana struggles like he did every year in between his rookie year and 2019, then we'll start thinking about giving Chavis another look of going with Duran, Casas or someone else.

Or, they comeback with $350/14 or $340/12.