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It wouldn't be to expect great things from him, but as a 4th OF'er playing only vs LHPs, he might still be an upgrade over JBJ, Duran and even Verdugo. My idea was that maybe we trade Duran and others for Montas or Manaea or a catching prospect plus Piscotty, so we don't have to give much else to the A's. They would love to dump his salary. BTV accepted these deals: Downs (or just Gonzalez or Jordan) for Manaea, Piscotty & Trivino Duran, Seabold, Bonaci & Wong for Langeliers, Picotty & Trivino Duran, Dalbec, Bello, Downs & Gonzalez for Montas, Langeliers, Piscotty and Trivino

Leyt's hope his velocity returns. Without it, the change-up has little affect.

I've certainly lost my higher hopes for him, after hearing all this and watching him try to get just one out, yesterday. My point was he was probably not "horrible" in AAA last year, and he certainly was not as good as his numbers indicated- which had kept my hopes up for him, until recently. I also was going off of some soxprospects reports: 5/5/21 Connor Seabold got the start in the last game of the series and was solid, throwing six shutout innings, striking out five, while allowing five hits, walking two. The Mets lineup featured several former major league players, so it was a good test for him and he passed easily, even though he lacked feel for his best pitch. Seabold came out throwing 93-95 mph in the first before settling in at 91-94 mph. His control was plus, but his command was a little off and he lost it at times, especially in the second inning. Whenever it went, however, he was able to pitch through it and work out of trouble. Seabold’s best secondary is his changeup, but he only threw it a few times of the course of the outing. It was clear he lacked feel for it until his sixth inning off work when he threw a few good ones—both parts of that statement confirmed by Seabold in his post-game press availability. With his changeup lacking, he instead relied on his slider, which flashed solid-average potential. It ranged from 81-86 mph and had short, 10-to-4 break. He showed confidence in the pitch, which is an encouraging development as our previous reports had it as a clear third pitch and more on the developmental side. If that pitch can get to average, along with his increased velocity and plus changeup, that gives him three at least average pitches in his arsenal. Seabold also showed a fourth pitch, a curveball, that he has used sparingly before. It came in 75-79 mph with longer, 11-to-5 shape. He did not consistently snap it off and it seemed like a fringe-average pitch at best. Overall, it was an encouraging look, as Seabold was able to control a veteran lineup without his best pitch. 10/27/21: Not so flattering, but not so dismal either. Coming into the 2021 season, Connor Seabold (#SP60 no. 8) was seen as one of the top pitching prospects in the system and potential major league depth should the need arise. The need did arise, but unfortunately, Seabold missed the first two-and-a-half months of the minor league season with right-elbow inflammation and only threw 62 2/3 innings between the minors and one MLB start posting a 3.59 ERA and 1.17 WHIP with 64 strikeouts and 24 walks. In April, prior to his injury, Seabold was sitting 91-95 mph at the Alternate Training Site. His slider looked better than it did last year, but he did not have feel for his changeup, which was his best pitch coming into the year. He also had added a curveball as a fourth pitch. After his injury, Seabold put up good numbers, but his stuff was inconsistent and his velocity did not return. He sat 89-92 mph and topped out at 93, a grade below what he was before. His feel for his changeup was still inconsistent, to the point where scouts saw his slider as having replaced it as his primary secondary. Scouts still have confidence in his feel and command, but the decreased velocity and regressing changeup create a wider range of outcomes. Seabold still has major league potential, but he looks more like a number five starter or swing-man type rather than the potential number four starter he looked like before. In the AFL, I will be closely watching reports on his stuff to see if his velocity and changeup come back. If they do, his projection could return to what it was heading into the season, but if not, it adds another data point and further questions about whether his pre-injury stuff will ever come back and lead to more questions heading into 2022. Their summary evaluation: Potential number 5 starter. Ceiling of a solid 3-to-4 starter. Lacks a plus pitch right now, but will show three at least-average offerings. Strong pitchability and advanced command and control profile allow his arsenal to play up. At his best, can generate whiffs with three pitches. Not the highest ceiling, but command/control and feel/pitchability, combined with proximity to MLB, give him a high floor. Needs velocity and feel for changeup to return to reach his ceiling. With diminished velocity projects more as a spot-starter or low-end number five type.

Could taking right-handed batting Piscotty and his salary from the A's, to lessen the return package need to get Manaea or Montas (plus maybe Trivino or Langeliers) be worth a looksee?

Agreed. Is there any RHB OF'er who signed, this winter, that was near worth his salary?

I'm not arguing about my opinion on Seabold, last year being right or wrong. I'm totally fine with changing my opinion based on his numbers not matching the scouts observations. I'm talking about your opinion that he was horrible in AAA, last year. Did the scouts say or hint that he was "horrible?"

Not really related to IFA rankings, but I found this interesting. Top 100 prospects are not all there is to ranking or rating a farm system, but based on top 100 prospects, our worst 5 seasons out of the last 33 have been: 33. 2019 32. 2018 31. 2002 30. 2001 29. 2020 https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/1/23/22897560/red-sox-top-prospects-history-baseball-america-top-100 Top 100's since 1990: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L1H_USzTBUu5Hloc45vJV3-LTX5vfr-les_DSszC_gs/edit?hl=en&hl=en#gid=1

I understand the penalty period had a lot to do with the 2015-2018/19 period being rather lame. I never made any comments about our scouting or talent evaluations of IFAs being lame. I only stated that we have not had a big-named IFA since the 2015 signing period. There are many reasons and/or excuses, but we have not. Have we already signed the next guy? Maybe- maybe not. I like Bello and Bleis. Maybe Gonzalez or Jimenez rise up, soon. None have made the national top 100 lists in a long time, for many reasons.

Did you read my last post? I'm granting the chances someone in our system, now, might crack the top 50 or 100 in a few years, but there that doesn't speak to 2015-2018 or 2019.

We were talking about his performance in AAA in 2021. Yes, he was horrible in this game.

Well said. I'm feeling good about the Sox in 2022. I haven't felt this way, at the start of a season, since March 2019.

I'm granting the chances someone in our system, now, might crack the top 50 or 100 in a few years, but there that doesn't speak to 2015-2018 or 2019. We've his a low point for a few years. Hopefully, that has already started to change, but it' been a long time, since we've had an IFA in the national rankings. Bogey was signed in Aug 2009. He was ranked on 18th soxprospects.com in June 2011, 4th in Sept '11 and #1 in Sept '12. Devers was signed in July 2013 and reached #18 by Apr '14. He was #12 by June '13 and #4 by Sept '14. He reached at #2 by '15, thanks to Moncada being #1. Later, he made it to #1. Espinoza was signed in July 2014 and was ranked #11 in a year, #3 in 14 months and #3 by April '16. Moncada was signed in March 2015 and was #2 that same April. He was number 1 by July, the same year he was signed. Players drafted after 2014 in soxprospects top 10: Mata has reached #2 (7/18) A Flores #7 (4/19) Aldo Ramirez #10 (11/25) and #9 (5/21) Bello #7 (8/21) and #6 (11/21) I'm not sure who and when our IFA's were in the top 25, 50 or 100, but we haven't had one in a while. Can anyone name the last 5 IFAs that cracked the top 100, 50 and 25 in national rankings?

No, it isn't, especially now that the child tax credit payments have stopped.

The death of Flores is "an excuse," but getting yourself penalized should not be an excuse. Our team got us there. We have pretty much sucked compared to other teams Look, I get the ages of these kids are young, but I'm talking 2014 as our last banner year.

I'm not talking soxprospects.com: I'm talking nationally ranked. How long did it take Bogey, Devers, Moncada & Espinoza to reach top 100, top 50 or top 20 in national rankings? Can or do we expect any of our current prospects to ever be top 25 or 50? We may not even see a top 100 prospects in a while, except maybe Bello.

Many of our IFAs signed long ago were instantly or near instantly ranked very highly, and I didn't even list Anderson Espinoza who was a top 20 prospect that got hurt.

Just because there are valid excuses for why we have nobody since 2014 does not change the fact that we have nobody since 2014. Sure, maybe one of these young guys will move up the value charts in the next year or two, but I'm not seeing the generational talent we used to get before. Guys like Bogey, Devers and Moncada we recognized pretty early on as being unbelievably promising. We haven't gotten anyone like that in a long time. The penalties were our own fault, so that's not a valid excuse. Flores dying was certainly an excuse, but we never got to see if he was in that group I just mentioned or not. The system has change, but other teams in the same boat as us have done well with IFAs. We have not.

I think Duran hit lefties in the minors pretty well, so maybe he plays vs some lefties. (Yes, it would have made more sense for our 4th OF'er to be a LHB'er.

Do they agree he was "horrible" as you stated? Did you watch him?

Fair criticism, but I doubt we see players like Boey, Devers, Moncada &Montas from anyone taken in 2015 or afterwards. That's 7 years- some with restrictions, some with low bonus pools and some too recent to know much, but no doubt, we have slipped in this area.

I think Bloom is not the good prospects for 1 year of control type GM. If we could get the A's to add Langeliers, then maybe. (I'd say Trivino, too, but I don't want to start a riot.) BTV accepts this deal, where we trade a lefty OF'er for a salary dump right handed hitter and get our catcher of the future and a RH'd RP'er along with Manaea. Duran, Downs, Jordan & Walter for Manaea, Langeliers, Piscotty & Trivino

B-R 6'2 could mean 6-1 of 6 feet.

Top OPS (9+ ABs) 1.644 Fitzgerald 1.302 Dalbec 1.151 Koss 1.067 Devers 1.000 Duran .944 Cordero .600 Arauz .572 JBJ .450 Refsnyder .444 Downs .444 JD .222 Plawecki Top OPS 5-8 ABs 1.583 Arroyo 1.225 Hamilton 1.167 T Reed 1.056 Y Sanchez .800 Kike .775 Bogey ,666 Cottam .625 Rafaela .500 Vaz .334 Verdugo .125 Potts (DFA'd) .000 Rossario (DFA'd) .000 T Shaw Pitching by IP (ERA/WHIP) 7 Eovaldi 2.57/0.43 4 Schreiber 0.00/0.75 4 Danish 2.25/1.00 3 Cole 0.00/1.00 3 Davis 0.00/1.33 3 Feliz 0.00/0.67 3 Wacha 0.00/1.67 3 Pivetta 0.00/0.00 2.2 Houck 3.38/1.50 2.1 Hartlieb 7.71/0.86 2.0 Bracho 0.00/0.50 2.0 Feltman 4.50/0.50 2.0 Hill 0.00/1.50 2.0 Whitlock 0.00/2.50 2.0 Ort 0.00/1.50

He's one of a few that might make their way to a spot start or two, this year: Crawford Winckowski Seabold maybe Bello BTW, B-R has him listed at 6-2 and 190. In 4 minor league seasons, he has a 9.4 K/9 and 1.081 WHIP. (3.51 ERA)

Brasier rates to be our 3rd to 5th best RP'er, on paper. I don't think one bad ST'ing game changes that.