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I'm hopeful both will see their WAR numbers soar over the remainder of the season. I do think Bogey may want more than what he's worth, but all that really matters in the end is how much one GM is willing to pay vs what Bloom & Henry will agree to pay. That number may be closer to Story's contract than Correa's or Seager's.

I'm not usually one to harp on rbi's, but yes, Bogey needs to start producing in those situations more often.

Seems like one of those snakebite games. Too many men LOB. Too many missed opportunities. The game's not over, yet. We need the pen to hold down the fort.

Good one, and that was one reason I scratched my head at giving up so much, and spending so much of a limited winter spending budget on JBJ. (I'm hoping the prospects straighten me out, but until they show me their value, I'm still scratching my head until the final judgment day arrives.)

The Sox will never be a bottom 5 team spender. I'm not sure why you and otehrs keep thinking because we hired Bloom, we will become the A's or rays. Did LA become the Rays, when they hired a former Ray? Has the Astros become the Rays after they hired a Ray? To me, we are not the Dodgers, but I think the Astros model is the one Henry hopes Bloom can create. A strong farm that provides Tucker, when Springer bolts, provides Pena when Correa bolts and young talent like Alvarez and Framber Valdez to supplement a few big contracts like Verlander, Altuve & Bregman. Yes, stay tuned, but not for an A's replay.

I was the one saying I'd offer Betts $400M/14. I'm the one posting incessantly "Devers Forevers!" Of course, I want to keep as many stars as possible, but I'm a realist and recognize it's almost always an either or situation. Some, here, seem to think the solution is for Henry to open his wallet, because he can. The reality is he doesn't always do so, and the GMs are bashed when he closes his wallet and praised when he opens it, assuming they spend it well. (DD did: Ben did not.) To me, it really sucked losing Betts. To me, he was the face of the franchise and a top 3 player in MLB. I thought we could make his salary work, if we lowered the AAV by making it a 14+ year deal, thereby allowing us to fill out the rest of the roster with a good supporting cast. Looking at the budgets Henry has handed down since that trade, makes me think my assumptions were wrong, and trading Betts was a forced condition of Bloom's tenure as GM. I'm fine with heated debates about what better we might have gotten for him, but trading him was forced- like it or not. In theory, we could have traded Betts after 2018 and gotten a better return, but Henry and most of us felt the winning window was still open for 2019 and possibly a little longer. I'm not "for" trading Bogey or losing hom for a comp pick, but if a restrictive budget is continually handed to our GM, it's not always a no-brainer to spend 1/7th of your player payroll on 1-3 players at a time. Maybe, if we got the farm to the point where we could count on near constant infusions of low-cost but highly productive players, we could construct a fine supporting cast built around 2-3 $28-30+M/yr players on the roster. To me, at the point we got to after 2019, trading Betts seems like it was forced, and getting 5 years of Verdugo and a couple prospects seems reasonable at best and not all that bad, at worst, when you consider it was just one season of Betts. (He wasn't coming back, whether we wished it or not.) Now, we are at the crossroads on Bogey and soon with Devers, too. (JD and Big Nate to a lesser extent.) If Bloom can build a winning team without some or all of these guys, I'll be okay with it, but that won't be easy, and i won't be fun losing our beloved stars. I don't know about others, but I really enjoyed the 2021 season, despite not having Betts on the roster, and there were a lot of exciting players not named Bogey or JD. (Note: I did not say Devers. To me, he is a must re-sign.) I doubt we trade Bogey, and maybe even if we are 5 down at the deadline, but I'll be more apset losing him for a comp pick than a bunch of prospects or a ML player like Verdugo. Once again, context is needed but not always factored in by some. An argument can be made that these guys should have been traded earlier, if we knew all along they'd be walking, and keeping fans happy is actually hurting our chances at pro-longed winning.

Most wins since 1998 2269 NYY 2129 LAD 2128 BOS 2127 STL 2104 ATL 2033 OAK 2022 SFG 2009 ANA 2003 CLE I guess wins only count for some posters, when it fits their narrative.

I'm not saying it's fun being an A's fan, but they have had some winning teams and exciting players over Beane's tenure- more than many teams. We hear the same drivel about the Rays.

1) The money spent per win comment was directed at the comment about the job Beane did. 2) The comment about rather being an A's fan than several other low spending or low performing teams has to do with them winning more games than many teams over many years and having some exciting players to watch for many years, too. I think my point and distinctions were pretty clear.

What about it? You tell me. He's given one of the strictest budgets in MLB, but you guys totally ignore that context. I'd hate being an A's fan watching that, but at least he got guys like Olsen and Chapman and Murphy and... Would you rather watch the Pirates over the last 25 years?

If you are using just advancing into the second round of any playoffs as your rubric, then yea, maybe. The only measure I mentioned was wins per dollar spent and who I'd rather be a fan of. (I didn't imply my measure was the only one or the best one.)

As long as you keep constructing them, I'll fira away. Not sure what the Candy Man has to do with this, but I'll refrain from asking for clarification, as that upsets you, so much. Still waiting for links. Don't be lazy.

Under the strict spending limits imposed on Beane, the A's must be pretty close to being a top 3 team in wins per dollar spent in MLB over Beane's tenure as GM. How is he a fake or phony anymore than other GMs who often promise the world, knowing full well, they can't deliver? Over his term, I'd much rather have been an A's fan than a Pirates and many other team's fan.

I never said Dugy did. I was responding to the point about getting prospects. Ant trade of a star may or may not be just prospects. Sometimes, as in the Lester and Lackey trades, we got ML level players in return. Also, We did not get Dugy, Downs and Wong for 5-10 years of Betts. We got them for a 60 game season of Betts, so I'm not sure the deal was as lops-ded as you make it sound by saying "Dugy for a future HOF'er." While the statement is true, you ignore the context that it was maybe 660 games of Verdugo for just 60 games of Betts. Then, there is the dumping half of Price's 3 years of contract remaining. That added to the value of the deal, from our side, much more than shedding Bett's 2020 contract, which did us no good at all, really. We got one year of Jason Bay for a few months of HOF- worthy Manny.

Curious why you mentioned, "at least temporarily."

Better than the idea of getting just a comp pick, but yes, it’s not something anyone loves. BTW, Verdugo and his 5 years of team control was not a prospect. Downs and Wong were.

I told you already. Several times. Stop being “lazy” as you called me. The strawman comment is 100% spot on accurate. It’s your MO. Every time you construct one, I will call you in it. I’d you want the strawman comments to end, stop constructing them.

With nothing in return or not replacing their contracts on the budget, likely last place. IMO

It would also clear room for rule 5 protectees and future FA singnees.

Wrong again. I’ve told you several times my circle of Sox discussions goes way beyond this site, but again you choose to believe alt facts and argue with strawman.

The guy who still owes us the link that shows “all reviews of the Betts trade said Bloom failed.”

All fact and little opinion.

Maybe his misreads the masses.

It's not just the Wink case. The vast majority of SP'ers do better with anyone-but-Vaz. Small sample sizes, unbalanced sample size and laeger/balanced sample sizes almost all show the same results, pitcher-by- pitcher, year-by-year or careers as a whole. You can debate or dispute the ability of a catcher to make a significant difference, but the facts are the facts.

To use one of your favorite phrases, "You ignore" that Winckowski's other start w Vaz was against a team that is also "nothing more than a minor league team in major league uniforms," so the small sample size point does make a point.