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Which is about what you'd expect from a utility player. Yes, his health history is a major stumbling block for any GM thinking of adding him to their roster. I was thinking with the rule of 14 to 13 pitchers taking affect, today, maye some team might value Arroyo more than what they have in AAA. We have valued him enough to keep him around for 3 seasons.

LOL. Choosing the worst of worst is so much fun, though! Actually, we won't be choosing the worst: we'll be choosing one with options remaining.

1) I don't think GMs look at just 2022 numbers when valuing a player. 2) I think some team might view Arroyo as an upgrade over their current utility player or just had a player go our with an injury. Arroyo might not be as b ad as some think he is. For a 2Bman/Utility player a .762 OPS from 2020-2021 w 9 HRs in 235 PAs and a .745 OPS from 2018-2021 w 12 HRs in 351 PAs is actually pretty good. He's not bad on D at 2B. A 1.7 bWARin just 72 games from 2020-2021 projects to about a 3.5 bWAR in a full season. fWAR is not as kind: 0.9 fWAR from 2020-2021, but that projects to about a 2 fWAR over a full season. I think some GMs have a memory. It only takes one. I'm not praising Arroyo. I'd rather have Fitzy as our infield utility, but I do think some GM would give us a decent single A player for Arroyo.

It wouldn't hurt to have someone else (with options remaining), in case refsnyder proves to be a flash, of Cordero returns to his 2021 level.

I'm not sure what trade value Downs has. I think BTV over-inflates his value, and other teams have 40 man roster crunches, too, or will this winter. That being said, I think it's better than 50-50 he gets traded. We have nice depth at middle infield down the pipeline. Fitzy or Koss (promote?) can play AAA SS Lugo to AA Mayer or Bonaci to A+

I'm far from being an expert in this area, but here is a stab at it: Moves made, at some point, this year... Pitchers German (add to 40) & Seabold to MLB, at some point. Murphy & Groome to AAA rotation: Crawford to pen/Pannone let go ot to pen Mata & Drohan to AA rotation: (Mata might go to AAA) W Gonzalez to A+ Non Pitchers: When Casas returns, I think we cut a catcher loose (Grullon?). Ramos to DH or promote Castellanos to AAA to DH w Ramos. Binelas replaces Castellanos at 1B in AA. Kavadas replaces Binelas at 1B in A+. Hickey replaces Scott at C in A+. (Maybe Scott replaces Rangel in AA?) I'm not sure how to find room for a Mayer or Bonaci promotion, later in the season. I think we will look to make some 2 or 3 for 1 deals at or before the deadline, to free up 26 and 40 man roster over-crowding, as players return from the 60 day IL and the COVID list. (We also have a lot of Rule 5 additions to make, this winter, so looking ahead at the 40 man roster crunch, this winter, Bloom may decided to make some tough choices on who goes, before we reach that crunch time. That could free up space for further promotions down the pipeline. Things could get very interesting.

Yeah, they "peaked for 66 games. SMH.... Maybe like the 90 game "peak" the Sox had in 1978 (62-28), Yankee fans never let us forget?

A troll who doesn't know what trolling is. Not surprising.

I think it will grow on me, especially the first time the Sox remain in the hunt, longer, because of the new set-up. I do think that if the playoffs keep expanding, maybe after they go to the inevitable 32 team league. they should shorten the regular season and not have play-in games or 3 game playoff series.

I don't either. I do think a team might give a single A prospect for him, but I seriously doubt it would be the Dodgers.

No, I don't think LA would want Arroyo for the OF. I was just relaying what I felt the statement was addressing.

I'd say 99% on one of those two happening. Since a Sawamura option keeps all the cards on the table, I'd vote for that choice, even though I like Sawamura more than Barnes and Robles. Outside chance we trade someone- maybe equal salary dumps- like a scrub RP'er for a scrub OF'er who bats RH'd. (Not sure when Kike is due back.)

Hickey, too, and maybe Mayer & Bonaci soon, too.

We don't know what will happen, next, but sometimes bad skids start with a game like this.

You never know, but my guess is he's traded. We can assume we open 10 slots via free agency, although some may be back: Bogey, JD, Eovaldi, Kike, Vaz, Wacha, Hill, Strahm, Plawecki, Robles 3 Option: JBJ: ($8M buy out) $12M Paxton: $4M player option or $13M team option Sawamura: ($600K buy out) $3M team option 10 Others who may be off the 40 man by 2024 (trade or DFA): Barnes, Brasier, DHern, Valdez, Arroyo, Diekman, Groome, Downs, Danish, Norwood That's probably 14-18 possible open slots. Add certain 6 Rule 5s: Casas, German, WGonzalez, Murphy, Rafaela, B Walter Possible 14 Rule 5s, but more likely 2-3, at most: Fitzy, Feltman, Cottam, Granberg, Hamilton, Jimenez, Koss, Northcut, Ort, Paulino, VSantos, NSong, J Wallace, TWard Let's say 8 Rule 5 additions. That leaves 6-10 Free Agent signings. I guess that's the long way of saying, I can see Down making it on the 40 over some of the other guys listed here, and we don't know how many FAs we'll sign.

June trades do happen, but not all that often. Sometimes deals are made where both teams are in buying mode, but share different needs.

He meant send us some bullpen help for Arroyo- not Betts.

Let Hickey join that group: Before tonight... OBP .456 Kavadas .438 Hickey .410 Granberg .398 Sanchez .392 Bonaci .383 Sikes .379 Duran .370 Sogard .366 Rafaela .362 Mayer .360 Paulino .359 Casas .354 Binelas

Our good friend Kimbrel lost the game in the 9th for the Dodgers. CLE stays in the WC lead.

CLE is down 3-2 to the Dodgers in the 8th, Not counting that game, here are the current standings: NYY & HOU look in. +2.5 TOR +0.5 TBR - CLE - BOS -3.0 CWS -4.5 LAA -4.5 TEX -6.5 BAL -7.5 SEA

Rizzo makes the final out with men on 2nd and 3rd. TOR wins.

Don't forget waiver wire addition, Schreiber.

Runs per inning: 37 3rd (.55 runs per inning) 34 8th 33 5th 33 9th (9 less games than innings 1 to 8) 33 in 58 games= 0.57 runs/inning 30 6th 27 2nd 24 1st 20 7th 16 4th 16 in 8 extra inning games

With Mazza, I was thinking more about 2020 (1.633 WHIP with us) vs 1.207 in 2021 w TBR. Now, Weber is getting a chance with the Yanks. Richards: 1.247 WHIP w SDP in '20 1.595 WHIP w Sox in '21 1.114 WHIP w TEX in '22

We seem to have had more than our share of losses like today's game, so I'm chalking these wins up as evening things out, but you are right. We can't count on racking up wins like this vs good teams, although the Cards are as good or better than some we will be facing. One game at a time. One series at a time.