moonslav59

My point was not anything related to this example.

Sale was not expected to miss more than a start or two, until April 4th. Look, I'm always for adding more SP'ers. We should have had better depth than we had, but with a limited budget, we'd have had to rob Peter to pay Paul. They misjudged Sale's return date. That sucked. We could have signed another pitcher or traded some future assets to get better SP'ers. I do not think that was part of this year's plan. I don't think it was only Bloom & Cora determining not to go all in, this year. Personally, I did not like many FA SP'ers, last winter. I complained when Bassitt and Manaea seemed to be traded for light returns. I'm not sure if we had what OAK wanted, or if they wanted too much from us, but even if I liked the deal, if the plan was not to trade any top propsects, than our options were severely limited.

Here are all the SP'ers signed over the off season: Story was signed on March 20th. Sale was placed on 60 Day IL on April 4th and was previously believed to be possibly missing a few starts, only. STARTING PITCHERS Max Scherzer (37, 7.2 WAR) -- Signed 3-year deal with NYM (Dec. 1) Kevin Gausman (31, 6.4) -- Signed 5-year deal with TOR (Nov. 30) Carlos Rodón (29, 5.0) -- Signed 2-year deal with SF (March 14) Clayton Kershaw (34, 4.8) -- Signed 1-year deal with LAD (March 13) Eduardo Rodriguez (29, 3.8) -- Signed 5-year deal with DET (Nov. 16) Robbie Ray (30, 3.5) -- Signed 5-year deal with SEA (Nov. 30) Zack Greinke (38, 3.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with KC (March 16) Marcus Stroman (30, 3.4) -- Signed 3-year deal with CHC (Dec. 1) Alex Cobb (34, 3.1) -- Signed 2-year deal with SF (Nov. 30) Anthony DeSclafani (32, 3.0) -- Signed 3-year deal with SF (Nov. 22) Tyler Anderson (32, 2.8) -- Signed 1-deal with LAD (March 18) Jon Gray (30, 2.7) -- Signed 4-year deal with TEX (Dec. 1) Michael Pineda (33, 2.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with DET (March 19) Alex Wood (31, 2.5) -- Signed 2-year deal with SF (Dec. 1) Andrew Heaney (31, 2.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with LAD (Nov. 10) Rich Hill (42, 2.4) -- Signed 1-year deal with BOS (Dec. 1) Yusei Kikuchi (31, 2.2) -- Signed 3-year deal with TOR (March 14) Danny Duffy (33, 2.2) -- Signed 1-year deal with LAD (March 17) Steven Matz (31, 2.1) -- Signed 4-year deal with STL (Nov. 29) Dylan Bundy (29, 2.1) -- Signed 1-year deal with MIN (Dec. 1) Johnny Cueto (36, 2.0) -- Signed MiLB deal with CWS (April 8) Kwang Hyun Kim (33, 1.8) -- Signed with KBO team (March 7) Garrett Richards (34, 1.7) -- Signed 1-year deal with TEX (March 20) Brett Anderson (34, 1.5) Corey Kluber (36, 1.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with TB (Dec. 1) Matt Harvey (33, 1.4) -- Signed MiLB deal with BAL (April 8) Zach Davies (29, 1.4) -- Signed 1-year deal with ARI (March 24) Matthew Boyd (31, 1.4) -- Signed 1-year deal with SF (March 20) Drew Smyly (33, 1.3) -- Signed 1-year deal with CHC (March 19) J.A. Happ (39, 1.1) Michael Wacha (30, 1.1) -- Signed 1-year deal with BOS (Nov. 27) Martín Pérez (31, 1.0) -- Signed 1-year deal with TEX (March 14) Steven Brault (30, 1.0) -- Signed 1-year deal with CHC (March 22) Trevor Cahill (33, 0.9) Wily Peralta (33, 0.7) -- Signed MiLB deal with DET (March 16) Tommy Milone (35, 0.6) Chris Ellis (29, 0.4) -- Signed MiLB deal with BAL (March 16) José Quintana (33, 0.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with PIT (Nov. 29) Aaron Sanchez (29, 0.4) -- Signed MiLB deal with WSH (March 16) Vince Velasquez (30, 0.4) -- Signed 1-year deal with CWS (March 14) James Paxton (33, 0.4) -- Signed 1-year deal with BOS (Dec. 1) Mike Fiers (37, 0.3) Chi Chi González (30, 0.3) -- Signed MiLB deal with MIN (March 20) José Ureña (30, 0.3) Jon Lester (38, 0.3) -- Retired Carlos Martínez (30, 0.3) -- Signed MiLB deal with SF (March 20) Chris Archer (33, 0.2) -- Signed 1-year deal with MIN (March 28) Aníbal Sánchez (38, 0.2) -- Signed MiLB deal with WSH (March 14) Cole Hamels (38, 0.1) Ervin Santana (39, 0.1) Jhoulys Chacín (34, 0.1) -- Signed 1-year deal with COL (Nov. 13) Sean Nolin (32, 0.1) -- Signed with KBO team (Jan. 8) Justin Verlander (39, 0.0) -- Signed 1-year deal with HOU (Dec. 1) Noah Syndergaard (29, 0.0) -- Signed 1-year deal with LAA (Nov. 16) Wade LeBlanc (37, 0.0) -- Retired Ivan Nova (35, -0.1) -- Signed with KBO team (Dec. 20) Thomas Eshelman (28, -0.1) -- Signed MiLB deal with SD (March 20) Chad Kuhl (29, -0.1) -- Signed 1-year deal with COL (March 16) Scott Kazmir (38, -0.2) Matt Moore (33, -0.2) -- Signed MiLB deal with TEX (March 14) Jordan Lyles (31, -0.2) -- Signed 1-year deal with BAL (March 12) Jake Arrieta (36, -0.2) -- Retired Chase Anderson (34, -0.4) -- Signed MiLB deal with DET (March 14) Tanner Roark (35, -0.7) Matt Shoemaker (35, -0.7) -- Signed with NPB team (Feb. 5) Julio Teheran (31, -0.9) Mike Foltynewicz (30, -1.1) Félix Hernández (36, N/A) Jasseel De La Cruz (25, N/A) -- Signed MiLB deal with ATL (March 13) There were a few pitcher around when we signed Story. I can see arguing we could have signed pitchers not Story, but I don't recall anyone suggesting any one who was signed after April 4th.

Call it what ever you want. There is no doubt, we are better than many teams- some with better records than us. You can doubt that or disagree, but it is not straw grasping.

I've never said mistakes were not made. IMO, we should never have piggy-backed Houck or jerked Houck and Whitlock all over the place. We should have just called up Crawford, Seabold and Wink, earlier- not like that would have worked, but it would have helped the pen. I have no issue using the word malfeasance in this area and others, too. I've never said Bloom and Cora have been perfect. (BTW, you forgot Pivetta as part of the opening day plan that blew up when Sale went on the IL.) We had 5 starters. We thought Sale might miss a few games, but it wasn't until April 4th that we knew he was out for 60+ days. I shouldn't be the only one to do research. I'm asking what other options were out there, and would the cost be reasonable to JF after just signing Story a couple weeks earlier. One could argue, we should have signed a pitcher and not Story, and I'm hardly ever against adding top pitchers.

I was just making that point to say I think our team is better than our schedule and divisional ranking shows. It was meant to imply anything else.

I'm asking you. I don't think many FAs were out there in early April. I could be wrong. I wasn't the one making the point about knowing Sale was out, and why didn't se do something. Tell us what we might have done? You did the same thing with 1Bmen at the end of May. You never named one guy who was available or traded to someone else.

The team lost the game. The pen actually pitched well. The run of Brasier was a cheapie. Wacha's were off HRs. The s***** ghost runner thing is killing us.

"Plenty of time? Who was still out there on April 4th? We had also just signed Story in the end of March, so I'm not sure how much budget is left.

So, explain what you were getting at when you said, "They knew about Sale's injury." Also, They did not know Sale was going to miss significant time until April 4th. (Read the last sentence of Sale quote.)

I don't think any team will, especially a team that does not pay large for closers.

Most IP by Sox SP'ers by season: 2020 (COVID 60 Game Season) 62 Perez 48 Nate 25 Godley 23 Mazza 19 Weber 17 Houck 14 Brewer 10 Pivetta 9 Hart 7 Kickham 4 Triggs 8 Hall+Osich+Brice+Brasier+Lever 2021 182 Nate 157 ERod 154 Pivetta 110 Richards 100 Perez 59 Houck 43 Sale 7 Seabold+Peacock+Crawford 2022 (not finished) 166 Pivetta 120 Wacha 107 Hill 100 Nate 67 Wink 61 Crawford 42 Bello 39 Whitlock 17 Houck 6 Davis 6 Sale

Bloom got bashed for signing Perez, twice. Had he signed him for the third time, I'm not sure a single soul would have applauded the move.

You keep saying "his injury was known." They put him on the IL on April 4th. Please read the last sentence.) Boston placed left-hander Chris Sale on the 60-day injured list with a right rib stress fracture, the team announced on Monday (April 4th). The seven-time All-Star won't be eligible to return until at least June. The news comes on the heels of Sale saying earlier in the day that he hoped to return to throwing by the end of the week or early next week. Was Bloom supposed to find an ace after April 4th? https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/04/boston-red-soxs-chris-sale-on-60-day-il-stint-i-definitely-thought-i-was-going-to-be-ready-quicker-than-that.html

No, it's not. Currently, they are 4 games behind SEA for the last WC slot, and finishing with the 7th best AL record, with their schedule is nothing for them to be ashamed of.

They just think their bad (asses.)

Yup. I do think making the playoffs is realistic for 2023.

Agreed, and I've been saying I don't think we touch DH and 1B, We may add a cheap 1B/DH type, but our needs, elsewhere are higher, and we don't have a Casas coming up at SS, RF and P.

...and when I said just bringing back Bogey and JD would not improve the team from 2022, certain posters went nutty.

Closer to .750, if you go by 2022 numbers. Guess what our current DH OPS is? .750

...while playing one of the toughest schedules in MLB. Their only respite is they didn't have to play the O's.

Troll!

Many players have need just "4 more years."

That's a big "if." You know how many players have been on pace to make the HOF, then did not? My guess is more players than are in the Hall.

Nobody likes losing. People can choose how much to enjoy, if at all, or not enjoy a team that is not winning. Of course, it's way more fun when we win, but I enjoyed last night's game, a lot. I thought we'd lose 6-0, but we fought back and took the lead. Our catcher of the future is looking very nice, and maybe our 1Bman of the future got a big hit, when it counted, unlike many of the stars on this team have been doing, all season long. Going all in, like we did from 2016-2018 has its consequences, and yet the solution many seem to want, now, is to go all in, again. When we don't, just read a game thread and find out.