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Kike Hernandez signs 1 year extension
moonslav59 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
One big problem is we may want to reset in 2024. The QO's would help us do that, and hopefully, some prospect arms will be proven by then. -
Yes. I think they realized it would be a PR nightmare and a huge disruption to the team to ask him if he would waive the No Trade Clause. They might also be thinking they will try hard to extend him. (I just hope not at Devers' expense.)
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He's still got 1,000 inning on that arm! LOL
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It wouldnt let me edit '18 to '20.
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To me, the 3 years Dugo gave us was worth the wasted 2020 season. I doubt Betts and a healthy Sale & ERod would have won us a ring in '18. Wong is gravy.
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Kike Hernandez signs 1 year extension
moonslav59 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I agree, but it's $23.4 x 6. -
I'd like to keep both, too, but unless I'm convince JH will open and keep open his wallet for the next 3-5 years, I don't see how it will work. If a reset is planned in the next 2-3 years, and remember, the penalties for year 3 are enormous, how can we field a competitive teams, unless the farm jolts us to prominence. Bogey + Devers will be $55M+ on the tax line. Add Sale and we're at $80M, or more than 1/3 the player budget on just 3 players- one who may not even be playing. Just taking 2023 and forgetting about future resets, how can it be done? Bringing back Bogey and Devers fills no holes. At best, we stay the same, and likely will get worse beyond 2023 at SS/3B. We'd have $25-30M to spend on SP, SP, SP, Closer, RP, RF, DH without even touching 1B or C, which are also question marks for 2023. It's impossible, unless and until JH changes his tune.
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Well, Bogey had a no-trade clause, so that might have kept Bloom from doing what he preferred to do... or not.
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Did the Sox really think seeing him for 2 months in 2022 was going to convince them to keep or not keep him at $26M/2? I'm 99% sure they take the options, despite not seeing one IP from Paxton. The injury he sustained is not long term.
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Certainly a Sox GM worries about losing viewership and attendance revenue. Isn't that worrying about fan reaction to harsh rebuild moves? It seemed like there was quite an uproar over just dumping Vaz and not trading for the next Schwarber.
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It seemed to me, some posters took issue with that term, and it was harsh. The thing is, you have even said, if we aren't going to extend Bogey, we should have traded him, and I agree, but when we do make a deal like the Betts one, the trade will be very unlikely one that pleases most fans-not just the "crybaby" ones. Most will likely take years to judge, properly, but the instant feeling will be anger or disgust. I felt angry when we traded Betts. Most did. Now, I see the deal was forced and necessary and don't think we could have done a significantly better deal. I remember, at the time, thinking I'd rather have Maeda than Downs & Wong or Graterol, and for a short while, that did look like a better deal, but I'm liking more and more of Wong with each passing day. 5 years of Dugo for a 60 game lost season of Betts seems fine, now. It's also helped me see the virtue in trading stars about to bolt going forward.
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The Sox have the option on Paxton, not the other way around. I don't think they signed him for 2022, in the first place. The deal was for 2023 & 2024. I'm 99% sure the Sox take the $13M x2 option, and Paxton is with the Sox going forward.
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Not totally. Too many cheap teams don't trade away stars at the right time. They also don't get the returns the Rays seem to get or know precisely when the time is right.
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Yes, and I never said there was no upside to them. Nobody cared when we traded Slocumb, especially a few years later, but I do remember some griping when we traded David Wells, and we saw some when we traded Vaz, who IMO, was not coming back on an extension. .
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Your points are true. They do comeback, when the team wins or gives the perception they can or will compete, but when the suck, revenue is down. It is a factor for most teams, less so for TBR.
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I basically said this, after the deadline, but put it in words that offended some. I said something like, the Sox did not do what was in their best interests because of "crybaby fans."
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And, that's why they chose that plan- or one reason, anyway. I'm one fan that wishes we'd go that way. It may suck to see stars go, but the Rays keep having new and exciting stars, seemingly every year. I want a sustainable system in place, and I know that does not have to depend on dumping players about to make too much money in time to get nice returns that may not show anything for years, or may be busts, I might add. The other thing the Rays seem to be experts at is dumping players right after their best career year and or right before they start declining steeply. Maybe because they've dumped so many good players, it just seems that way, but the list is long and goes way back. (Snell is but one example.)
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We might be able to get Devers on 8-10 years, if we give him an opt out after 2-3 years.
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We could wait on Devers, and all he costs for 2023 is his arb number.
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Kike Hernandez signs 1 year extension
moonslav59 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I think Pham is tradeable at $6M, but maybe he re-signs for $9-10M/2. If we sign someone like Nimmo, Ref & Pham are out of options, and we don't need Pham. -
Clausen was good in '09 and Powlus wasn't bad in his So-Jr years, but no great ones for a long time.
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The Ray's Way, while usually about money, is also geared towards building on long term success. While trading stars in their prime, at the deadline or once they start getting high arb pay, looks like it sucks for the present team, but if you continuously do it, you start seeing the rewards of the ones you traded 2-4 years ago, today, and the cycle continues, pretty much uninterrupted. The problem is, our fan base would get irate, if we traded Bogey, Wacha and Nate. The Rays fanbase (I know- oxymoron) is used to it, but also realizes the benefit of continuing the cycle.
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I meant knowing what the fan reaction would have been.
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The finger was a fluke, but I think it's probably safe to count on Sale + Paxton for 30+ starts, combined.
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I'm pretty sure, he found out what offers were out there for those two, plus Wacha, Strahm and maybe even Kike, but I doubt the latter, as they just extended him. IMO, JD is not getting a QO, so I'd have paid some or most of his contract and gotten the best we could, even if a Hamilton or Binelas type prospect. If they intend to offer Nate a QO, the return would need to be greater, but getting us under the tax line has some very high benefits, in coming years. Same with Wacha and the QO, but trading him would have been a clear white flag. My guess is, he'd have gotten the best return, but alone would not help us reset. Strahm would not have brought back much, but maybe more than JD with no money attached. The question to me is "what was considered "the right return?"
