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Maybe Gallo. I still like the idea of trading with the Marlins for a top pitcher and Berti. We solve the leadoff slot in the lineup (although his OBP slipped from .388 from '19-'20 to .319 from '21-'22), the RF hole and the top of the rotation gaping hole. I'm not sure we can do this without parting with Mayer, Casas or Blies. Maybe Rafaela, Yorke and Walter? (Perales?)

I'm always thinking AAV. Also, differed money saves owners a ton.

I'm not as dead set against him as I was a few weeks ago, so keep plugging away. I doubt we get Nimmo, so the non-trade options all have some issue(s).

The Sox actually offered Betts very close to what he finally took from LAD, so I'm not so sure we can say that about JH, prior to trading him. After the trade, with COVID and salary amounts in question, maybe the market fell to about the level JH's final offer was, but I think JH would have been okay with us taking on Mookie's current contract. IMO, and I'm just speculating, I don't think we will say the same about whatever Bogey signs for. It will be significantly higher than whatever the Sox last offer was, if we ever find out for sure.

Yes, I have to think, in his case, keeping the "favorite" at a reasonable market rate would have also made us more likely to win.

You confuse laughter with bother.

Yes, not answering the actual question is "your way."

No. Nor do I think he'd care to hear about what a hypothetical question is. He has his own alternative meaning for words.

http://news.soxprospects.com/2022/12/soxprospectscom-end-of-season-rankings.html They put Perales 10th. They did not drop Yorke, as I expected. 1. Mayer 2. Casas 3. Bleis 4. Rafaela 5. Yorke 6. Mata 7. Romero 8. Walter 9. Anthony 10. Perales 11. Pauilino 12. Wikelman 13. Murphy 14. Lugo 15. Jordan 16. Bonaci 17. EValdez 18. Hickey 19. Rodriguez-Cruz 20. Kavadas

You'll have to explain that in more detail.

I have never said it's not okay to cry. I "cried" over losing Lester and was the poster who was okay giving Betts $400M/14, at one point. Again, my point was not to disparage crying or emotional complaining, although the worst crybabies among us can get annoying, but to point out that, in my opinion, some of our not-so-good decisions have been at least partially influenced by the fear of stirring them up, which is part of doing business and not necessarily unjustified, either. I get the point about us not being as competitive had we traded Bogey a year or two ago. It's a valid point. It was also a business choice. I'm not saying being better going forward had we traded Bogey a year or two ago vs being better in 2022 or 2021 and 2022 would have been the best choice, but I do think we'd be better off now, had we done it (assuming we don't re-sign him.) If anyone wants to say Red or I'm crying about us not trading Bogey earlier, they are free to do so, and they'd have proper standing. (I don't think I've gone on and on and on about it, and I can understand why we didn't do it and recognize not trading him has serious merit, too.)

I like Haniger, but we need to target durable and dependable players, despite nobody being a sure bet to stay healthy.

Had you written this in the 3rd person, it would have been more fitting. We all know you will vote for yourself, in this imaginary poll, and that's fine. You seem to have two votes, so far. You must feel so proud!

They'd have cried, for sure, whether the reason is justified or not is another issue. My main point was about trading Bogey last winter or the one before and Devers, now. There is very little reason to think fans would not be bawling their eyes out over a Bogey or Devers trade. Some are still crying about Lester.

Speaking of "leftovers."

Deservedly so.

I;m not defending Cordero and some of the others as being prized gets. I'm just pointing out, the prospects may not have been the major part of some of the trades, or that the ML player acquired lessened the value of the prospects we got. JBJ was meant to fill the RF need we had by trading Renfroe. I sure as hell am not noe never did defend that part of the trade. I do agree: we don't get Hamilton and Binelas for Renfroe. The JBJ aspect improved the value of the prospects returned- most likely. (Good point.)

I'm saying maybe (I never said for sure) some moves were not made out of fear of upsetting fans that might show their anger by not renewing or buying season tickets or NESN subscriptions. I call those fans crybabies. Disagree with the terminology- fine, but it has nothing to do with them disagreeing with me. What gets me is that they will now cry because we did not trade players away, when we should have, and it made us worse over the longer term. Even you agreed we should have traded Bogey a year or two back, if we were going to lose him, so you agree we'd be better off, now, had we done that. Why did we not trade him? Answers might include certain weight to some or all of these reasons: 1. We thought we might be able to keep him at a discount or reasonable rate. 2. We thought we might win in 2021 and/or 2022, and he gave us a better chance 3. We did not want to upset a fan base still angry over losing Betts, and some over the Lester loss, long ago. I'm not saying #3 was the major reason, bt I think angry fans played a part in the decisions made.

No, but look at the trades, one by one, hardly any of our best players were traded for just a propsect(s). Betts included the salary dump of half-Price. Beni included Cordero. Renfroe included JBJ. Workman & Hembree: Pivetta Now, that does not mean we should have had no expectations for the many prospects Bloom traded for, and I specifically said the JBJ better have been about the prospects. While Hamilton was just added to the 40, I'm not very optimistic about him or Binelas. I do still like Wong, German and Wallace and have some hope with EValdez, Abreu & Winckowski, but the vast majority of prospects traded for have not risen hopes after we obtained them. Downs Seabold R Hern Hamilton Binelas Koss Potts & Rosario de la Rosa, Valdez & Gambrell Too recent to know? Ferguson Rosier He's done better with Rule 5 and minor league FA signings: Whitlock Kelly Ort

Devers is 25th: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0 He's 28th since 2020. Since 2021 13. Bogey 10.4 14. Betts 10.4 22. Devers 9.1

I'm guessing you missed Houck, Crawford and Wink.

They are crybabies not because they don't think like me. They are crybabies because they wail, weep and bawl every time a move is made that is focused on the future and not instant gratification. Yes, those who disagree with you also whine, cry or whatever you prefer to call it, but the term fits many posters after certain actions are taken or posts are made. If you want to include me as a crybaby or whiner, go ahead.

I'd rather see quality over quantity, finally, and this looks impressive. I might go... Correa 32 Nimmo 20 Senga 17 Taillon 12 Rogers 8 or Estevez + Fulmer (Trade for another pen arm and maybe catcher)

Until we sign someone major, there isn't too much to talk about without rehashing old debates. Here is something to ponder and possibly respond to: If we go back and add all graduated prospects from mid 2021 to today, what would be your rankings? Add: Whitlock, Bello, Houck, Crawford, Wong, Winckowski & Duran Here is my list: 1. Whitlock 2. Mayer 3. Bello 4. Houck 5. Bleis 6. Casas 7. Rafaela 8. Romero 9. Perales 10. Mata 11. Yorke 12. Walter 13. Paulino 14. Anthony 15. Wikelman 16. Wong 17. Valdez 18. Jordan 19. Lugo 20. Hickey 21. Kavadas 22. Crawford 23. Rodriguez-Cruz 24. Murphy 25. Bonaci 26. Abreu 27. Winckowski 28. Kelly 29. German 30. T Ward 31. Coffey 32. Brannon 33. Drohan 34. Wallace 35. Salazar 36. Uberstine 37. Hamilton 38. Binelas 39. J Paez 40. RHern/Koss/Politi/R Fernandez

Yes, some of them before arbs began. They also have let some very key role players go to free agency, including Verlander (Cy Young winner), Brantley and Gurriel, this year, although there is talk they may bring Gurriel back, if Contreras is not signed. Grenke Keuchel Morton Osuna Miley Mchugh