moonslav59

This how you remind me of Swihart's Ghost. You seem to delight in some Sox player failures, if it supports your position.

soxprospects.com actually has Hamilton as the AAA SS. AAA 2B Valdez SS Hamilton 3B Koss AA 2B Yorke SS Ferguson 3B Lugo A+ 2B Bonaci (another ex SS) SS Mayer 3B Paulino A- 2B Liendo SS Romero 3B Salazar

Another unrelated, non answer.

Agreed, but it still seems like a select few posters really want to embrace his analysis, almost- and I stress the word almost- like they want the farm to fail, so we fire Bloom and maybe they can strut around saying, "I told you they were all just suspects."

Indeed, and I have a lo0ng list of "coulda done better" on Bloom that actually have merit.

I think you've said you would not be surprised to see Mayer in MLB, this year, so wouldn't he count as a proispect other GMs would want, badly?

How is this a rebuttal? I wanted Mookie to stay, and as far as I know, I'm the only one who would have given him 14 years? You keep equating the thinking that Bloom was forced to trade Betts, and probably got close the best he could for him as the same as wanting it to happen, thinking it was a good idea, or thinking it was a good trade. I have always wanted us to keep Betts and wish we still had him. What is the rebuttal? That our farm is full of suspects? (That seems to be your answer to every point made, no matter how unrelated.)

I'm not sure, if you are counting Lugo as a promising MI'er, but they moved him to 3B, too.

Why do I get the feeling some want to trust Law's ranking over the others?

When is the last time we even had 8 prospects or "suspects" beating on the MLB door, at the same time? We have over 10, now, and that's not counting Bello, Wink and Wong, who just graduated. I agree, none on this list, other than Casas & Mayer are close to sure bet contributors, but many have enough promise to be optimistic about, if you choose to be. Casas Mayer Rafaela Mata Walter Murphy EValdez Kelly That's a decent 8, with some fringy types like Abreu, Hamilton, RHern & Ort.

I'm not sure any team, other than the Dodger, would have also taken on half-Price's salary. I realize everyone knows this, but when you hear generalizations like, "BLoom could have done better," I wonder with what team? IMO, no other team takes $42M on without asking us to take a salary dump in return or to pay down more of Price's deal. I know there were a few guys, like 700, who felt the Dodgers wanted Price at that money, but I seriously doubt that to be true. It wasn't just trading Betts.

Talk about regurgitation.

fangraphs has the Sox 9th Prospects1500 has the Sox system 11th MLB.com 11th (Aug '22) si.com 11th (Aug '22) oddschecker 11th (Sept '22) Bleacher Reports 19th Quite a spread, but it looks like maybe we are middle 10 or maybe top 35-40%, at best. Not great. We only just graduated Bello, so we can't really use that as an excuse. I expected better. I still have hopes our system is better than what some of these guys think, but this is their business. They have been wrong before, and I'm hopeful they are wrong here. Personally, I think our farm is a lot better than it was 3 years ago. soxprospects.com Fall '19 1. Casas 2. Mata 3. Groome 4. Jimenez 5. Dalbec 6. Duran 7. Houck 8. Song 9. Chatham 10. TWard 11. Zeferjahn 12. A Ramirez 13. C Murphey 14. Lugo 15. Decker 16. Cannon 17. Bello 18. A Flores 19. Rafaela 20. M Wilson Others in the system not in top 20 back then: Walter, Perales, Paulino, Wikelman & Bonaci Bloom's Additions: Graduated (top ranking): 4. Whitlock 9. Winckowski 11. Wong 41. Ort On farm: 1. Mayer 3. Bleis 5. Yorke 7. Romero 9. Anthony 15. Jordan 17. E Valdez 18. Hickey 19. E R-C 20. Kavadas 21. Coffey 23. Drohan 24. Kelly 25. R Hern 26. Abreu 27. Bannon 28. Paez 29. Uberstine 30. Hamilton Seems like the whole league musta got better, if this isn't improvement.

He made $1.4M in 2022 and will make $2M in 2023. That's a $600K raise.

Wow! I now love Brasier and wonder if he should be our closer.

DHern cleared waivers by the O's and will be in their minors. The Dodgers have said they will not make trades to get under the tax line. (They seem to be about $5M over, now.)

Exactly. Counting it like a 12 get by the Dodgers has merit, but that does not mean we gave up 12 years of Betts. Also, how do we dump half-Price or full-Price, if we kept Betts? Casas, Bello & Price for Downs? Bogey and 3/4 Price for Downs and Wong? JD & Bogey for Verdugo, Downs & Wong? It's easy to just say, "Botch!" and anyone who brings up Price is just adding spin, but was an alternative plan? (I know, I know: "JH should have spent more money.")

How long do you think? It usually takes 4-6 years before drafted players make an impact- maybe 3, if you draft some polished college guys. We just graduated some of DD's guys after a 5 year stretch of getting just Houck: Bello Crawford Duran Dalbec We've seen some of Bloom's guys like... Whitlock Wink Wong Kelly The next guys coming up are a mix of DD and Bloom guys... Mata Walter Murphy Mayer Rafaela Valdez Ort Yorke Lugo Kavadas...

Underperform implies lofty expectations for team that was in serious decline and then cut the budget and had no farmhands ready to step in and even play at replacement levels.

I'm not happy with the W-L results under Bloom. I don't blame him for some stuff, but other stuff I'm the driver of the wagon. I look at the context. I expect results in year 4 and 5. If we fail, it's on Bloom.

I love this. It perfectly sums up flawed thinking.

Nobody disagrees it was a horrible time for the Sox. The fact that we even "had to make" the deal sucked. That was "terrible." I've never understood why assigning blame seems to be of utmost importance when evaluating every event, but I guess it's the way of the world, these days. Blaming Bloom seems pointless and misdirected, to me.

Remember, Betts made $27M in 2020 and Price was set to be paid $16M to play for the Dodgers. That's $43M cut from the 2019 budget, beyond losing: $20.6M Porcello $6.3M Pearce Not to mention paying Sale $25.7M, Pedey $13.8M and ERod $8.3Mto sit out 2020. If the budget stayed the same, and there is no reason to think it wouldn't, how to we cut $43M from the 2020 budget? That winter we spent $M $11M JBJ arb avoid $6M Perez $4.3M Pillar $3.5M Workman arb $3.4M Beni arb $3.1M Barnes arb $2.9M Peraza $2.5M Moreland arb 1.6 Hembree arb I don't see it. We'd have to have traded someone else: All of Price $31M $26.5M Sale $22M JD $20M Bogey $17M Nate Mix and match to meet $43M, even in hindsight.

At least with Betts, it appears they tried hard and made a fair offer. It's reported he almost accepted it. Agreed, though. He should have been a lifer. I don't think Bloom had the option to extend him, unless he traded Sale, JD and or Bogey & Nate. I think DD had a choice on who to extend, and the evidence supports that he tried. I don't think it's right to blame him, because we don't really know how high he'd have to have gone in a counter-offer to get him to stay, but if I had to blame one GM, I'd say it can't be Bloom's fault. I don't even like to throw blame at JH, because he has spent a lot of money and helped end the curse and then some, but if blame has to be assigned, he's the guy to pin it on for this one.

Asking Dale to blame DD is like asking him to blaspheme.