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I'm not convinced Bogey would have taken $160M/6, like some here suggested he might have done. I'm not sure he'd have taken $200M/6 or 7. If he would have, then a debate would be warranted, but I doubt we'll ever know, because no offer like that was made, to my knowledge. The fact is we never offered what he'd take at any point on the timeline. I'm pretty sure both sides had an idea what the other side wanted, and it seems pretty obvious, to me, they never got close enough to even make serious offers, I guess until the very end, when Bloom & Co. were blown away by the Padres' offer. There may come a day, where we look back and wish we'd found a way to keep him at $200M/8 or less, but we may also look back and say even $160M/6 would have been an overpay. (I doubt anyone will ever say $160M/6 would have been a bust.) The comment on Bogey's fWAR being as high as it was around 2018 is valid, but my point was that his production has dropped for 3 years, now, but his D has improved by enough to bring up his overall value, according to fWAR to about the same. That's still not near his current contract value, but close enough to $160M to $200M to still wish we'd have gotten him for that.

If Bloom was tasked to build a team with Betts and the same budgets he had without him, we'd have seen 8 Brasiers and Orts in the pen. Chavis at 1B, Bogey traded, and nobody but Nate in the rotation. If he could not dump Price, we'd likely have traded JD. It's easy to just say, "had we kept Betts and spent more...," but why would keeping Betts have made JH want to spend more than he ended up spending? I suppose he might have.

He did make quite a few trades, and many look good or are still incomplete, but when it comes to major trades, after Mookie, the next biggest one was probably Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber, Beni for Wink & Gambrell (and more) or Workman & Hembree for Pivetta. Not really a king's ransom, there. I'm not sure that upper management might have directed him to hold most prospects until 3, 4 or 5 years down the road, but they will never admit that, if true. Bloom certainly failed on the W-L level for the big club, and that's what the vast majority of fans care about. IMO, he built up the 40 man foundation, pretty well for the next guy. The farm looks much better, but that is all speculation and projection. He whiffed on PR and assembling a ML roster that could compete in 2 of the 3 years that counted, to me. Foundation: B or B+ Farm: B+ or B ML Roster: D or C- (only 2021 saves him from a D- or F) Budget: Incomplete, but Story and Yoshi might force a current grade or C- Overall: C-, but I seem to count the foundation & Farm projections more than most.

You never know what we would have gotten with that comp pick, right?

I do think the farm was Bloom's top priority from above. It's hard to know how good it really is. Remember, the farm DD inherited was ranked highly, but did not amount to much, except for what we got back from trading most of them. I'm really excited about our prospects, and we've already seen more prospects make an impact, this year than I can remember for many years. Thye influx has already started, and guys like Rafaela and Abreu promise more for 2024, and Teel, Anthony, Mayer and Wikleman for 2025. More beyond them!

Soxprospects.com Player of the Day: Unranked to start the season coming off an inconsistent year in the Florida Complex League, Yordanny Monegro has made the leap into the system's top 25 prospects. If Thursday's division series victory was his final start of 2023, it was the perfect cap on his breakthrough year. Monegro led all pitchers in the system (minimum 60 innings) with a 2.06 ERA across his three levels, striking out 12.75 batters per nine innings, and going until his final start of the season before allowing his first home run. ...Despite an uneven second half and the losses of several top prospects to promotions, Greenville swept Hickory two games to none to claim the South Atlantic League South Division title.

Am I on the right thread or blog, even?

The race for the Sox OPS leader has been all over the map, over the last few weeks. It is still not decided, but Devers has taken over the lead, among players with 300+ PAs: .865 Devrs .859 Duvall (310 PAsin DNQ for MLB) .856 Casas .828 Duran (362 PAs) .827 Turner .793 Yoshida .774 Verdugo .715 Wong Under 300 PAs 1.032 Rafaela (40 PAs) .947 Abreu (55) .740 Reyes (163) .709 EValdez (127) .708 Urias (90) .704 McGuire (166) .675 Refsnyder (228) .535 Story (117) OPS Against (175+ PAs Against) .571 Martin .693 Jansen .696 Crawford .07 Schreiber .729 Pivetta .734 Houck .735 Winckowski .737 Bernardino .744 Sale .765 Paxton .773 Murphy .835 Whitlock

I'll under analyze, here. They felt the team should have done better, despite all the obstacles. They want to go in a different direction.

It's his theme for the day, I guess.

I never really thought of Elk as a troll, but it is obvious, now. He is only out to push buttons and stir the pot. Drive by trolling while out at sea. I suggest ignoring the attention seeker.

This would not have been "every move." Trading Sale is major. Now, if it was a last second trade deadline offer, maybe it never got to top brass. Bloom was not "top brass."

The other thing is, had an offer like that been made on Sale, top brass could have insisted Bloom pull the trigger. To act like they had no role in the choice is absurd and disingenuous.

Kike obviously only hits when he plays CF and is healthy. (I do think as a 2Bman would not have been a bad plan.) Had Mondesi been ready in May as expected, asking Kike, Yang and DHam to handle SS for 3-6 weeks was not necessarily a bad plan, except in hindsight. Yang got hurt and Mondesi stayed hurt. Reyes was acquired a few weeks too late, and then Cora unexplainably still played Kike at SS, too often. Taking JBJ back was a major blunder. There is no sugar coating that one, IMO. I agree 100% on Kluber. I don't recall many here not liking the signing- only that it was all Bloom did to address the rotation. Bloom's inability to finish the deal looks like one of his major deals. Not extending Bogey, if he was indeed, extendable, at any point. Not bringing back Nate, despite offering him more than what he took from TEX. (Reportedly, he pulled the offer.) Not one upping the Rays on Eflin. Not pulling the trigger on some trades that were inches from being completed. My belief all along has been that the organization decided not to go large and long on a solid pitcher, and that is usually what is needed to get a good one, until we felt the "timing" was right, so I'm not sure Bloom deserves all the blame for the pitching, but even at $7-10M/1, I think he should have done better. Wacha and Hill were okay. Perez, Perez II, Richards and Kluber brought us next to nothing for about $32M, total.

LOL, like those with between 69 and 70K posts,

Assuming this is true. It may not even be partially true.

..and he berates "name-callers."

While true, I don't think anyone would be happy with a Duran-Refsnyder platoon at DH for a fraction of Yoshi's cost (and maybe the same cumulative OPS,)

How many were by manager's choice? Zero? How does that support the position?

I'm not playing the victim. I'm not apologizing for having OCD. I'm not using my OCD as an excuse for anything. This type of banter you often initiate is why people leave this site, You drive by then blame others for your BS. I'll stop responding to your posts from now on for the sake of others not having to read more of this.

But the argument is about resting players so they are fresher, late in the season. Guys missing time due to injury does not support that position. It does not help the no rest argument, either.

Great point, but it was only a lie, if he knowingly misrepresented the facts. Are we sure he knew on that date, a trade was a real possibility? If yes, he lied. (He may have been told to lie, but it would still be a lie. My guess is, it was a blatant lie.)

One thing we all seem to agree on.

Yes, but if the reset was always part of the plan, then how much higher could we have gotten in the rankings without going over the tax line? That was my point. Yes, the ranking slip was a major choice made, and I'm assuming not by Bloom.

When you keep posting "the reports" that said Bloom was "never told he had to trade Betts," what is your point? Yes, your big beef was the return, and as far as we know the only other discussion was with the Padres, and some think they would not take Price. I have long thought and said, that the falling out between DD and upper brass probably began when they did not allow him to bring Kimbrell back or spend beyond the extensions after 2028. I'm not sure, if they told him not to make prospect trades at the deadline in 2019, but I do think he knew about plans for massive cuts to the budget after 2019, and that led to his departure. DD wanted no part of what was handed to Bloom and actually began under DD.