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I agree, but not a difference maker, which is what the Yankees needed.

The relevance of what he did 10 years ago to his current ability is what exactly?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/102512-ex-player-red-sox-taught-steroids-use http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2013-02-07/mlb-steroids-curt-schilling-red-sox-peds-hgh-biogenesis-alex-rodriguez

David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez? What about Jose Canseco? It's probable that there are more that we don't know about. I think you're letting your fandom clout your judgement.

Hahahaha, this thread is awesome.

He sucks.

Why settle for nearly $40-$60 million less than what you could get on the open market? He'd be taking a huge gamble.

Wouldn't get it done.

I think it's highly likely he did.

I assume you were trying to quote me. I'll just say that I can't think of a greater miscarriage of justice than the execution of an innocent person. Fortunately there is solution to that problem, and that is to simply eliminate the death penalty.

You are right. I am sorry. I have abscess the size of a tooth on my gums right now, so I've been in a s*** mood for a day. Shouldn't take it out on strangers.

$60,000 a year to house an inmate? What country club are they going to?

According to The Innocence Project, 25% of DNA exoneration cases involved defendants pleading guilty or confessing to the crime.

Yeah, because there's never been an innocent defendant on death row.

rWAR's defensive numbers aren't as accurate as fWAR.

Fans always seem to blow strikeouts out of proportion.

There's been some idiotic rebuttals in this thread, but this one takes the cake. What the f*** do you even mean?

I didn't realize that Nava had played in so many games already. He's projected to finish the season with 131 games played. In those 131 games, he's projected to produce a WAR of 1. That's good for 15th out of 20th for qualified LF. Among all qualified OF's, he's ranked 42nd out of 49th. Those are role player numbers, despite getting starter AB's. Plus, it would be a poor bet to think he's going to get any better. He's already 30, so this might be his peak performance. I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this one, so I'll just conclude. Daniel Nava is a good left handed bat off the bench. He's not a starter.

I guess you'll still have that memory when he's being thrown out at 2nd as a 36 year old left fielder.

Liriano with 13 K's over 7 IP. He's turning the clock back to 2006.

Which franchise would you rather be a fan of? The Marlins or the Astros?

I overstated Nava's baserunning deficiencies. I'm probably biased based off that terrible game he had a few weeks back. He won't add anything on the bases, either. However, I think the baserunning issue is becoming a red herring. I'm more alarmed at Nava's terrible defense in the field, and his inability to his left-handers thus far. Again, the disagreement we have over Nava is his potential competence as an everyday LF. I have no problem playing Nava in LF against right handers. He has some value in a platoon. Together, he and Gomes could represent a 2 win player in LF. Not great, but not terrible either. I'm just of the opinion that if you play him everyday, he's going to give more runs back in the field, and he's going to see his numbers decline because he struggles against lefties. Getting back to baserunning, I think you are dismissing the value that good baserunners can bring to a team. Home runs and offense are down from the historic levels during the Steroid Era. That means that the stolen base is becoming a more valuable weapon. Ellsbury and Victorino are well-above the break even rate. Without question they add more on the bases than they take away. You also have to factor in their ability to take the extra base. They aren't hugely important, but there is still value to be had in this aspect.

Just read his last two posts. This guy has to be a troll.

I hate to be mean, but I have no idea what to say to this. This is an excruciatingly awful argument.

A few points: 1) He'll be 30 when his contract kicks in 2) Speed peaks early, as does defense. Can you be more specific about the gifted speed players you are talking about? 3) Power also declines with age 4) Barry Bonds? What does that have to do with anything? 5) If he moves to LF, it will decrease his value even further. He has to cross a higher bar offensively in LF. 6) Dice-K was a pitcher. Plus, he was 27 when he signed that deal. I have no idea what that has to do with Ellsbury. Are you trying to say that giving large contracts are risky propositions? 7) No one is arguing that Ellsbury has less upside than Crawford. I used Crawford as an example to show that giving big contracts to players whose value primarily comes from their legs is a risky proposition.