You didn't read what I wrote. I said that this trade would still be a win for the Yankees. I just don't believe it's completely lopsided.
Again, you clearly didn't read what I wrote. I never said that Hamilton was a poor fielder.
I never said this either, although I could see how you could be confused. I said if the Reds thought that Hamilton was not going to a great CF, and have a sub .300 OBP, (which is entirely possible, because he only had a .308 OBP in AAA in 2013, and is projected to have a .278 OBP by fangraphs) then Brett Gardner would be a big upgrade over Hamilton. A below .300 OBP speedster with just above average skills in CF isn't a valuable player. The sub .300 OBP was a projection, not something he did in the past.
I also mentioned that the Reds could play both of them at the same time. Gardner in LF, Hamilton in CF. That's probably the most optimial situation. Gardner's a 3-4 WAR player in LF, Bailey's a 3/4 WAR at SP. Pretty much a wash in 2014 value. That being said, I think the Reds are going to struggle this year, so they would be better off trading Bailey for players they control for multiple years.
Bailey's three year WAR totals - 1.1, 2.5, 3.7
Bailey's three year FIP totals - 4.06, 3.97, 3.31
He was 4/5 type in 2011, a 3/4 type in 2012, and knocked at #1 starter status in 2013. His K/9 totals spiked, he got more GB's, and allowed fewer HR's. His breakout year was in 2013.
No hitters are nice accomplishments, but I don't put too much value in them. Henderson Alvarez has one.
He finished behind Bronson Arroyo and Mike Leake in HR/9 last year. They are even more HR prone than Bailey is, so it isn't surprising to see him finish behind them. Finishing behind them also doesn't take away his career 1.01 HR/9 mark. He made some strides last year, but since we are talking about a hypothetical trade to the Yankees those numbers are a good bet to increase.
Why would Gardner take a 1/14 offer when the bidding is probably going to start around 4/48? Even if he accepts it, they would be paying a very reasonable price on a short-term deal to a good player. I don't understand why Arroyo is used as an example. Arroyo is older, had a below average 2013, and hasn't been good since 2008. There was no way a team would outbid 1/14 for Arroyo plus surrender a draft pick.
Again, I'm not arguing that Gardner would be a guy they should target for Bailey. My argument was that this trade wouldn't make the Yankees that much better in 2014.
Personally, I think they would be better off flipping Bailey at the deadline when they are in a distant 3rd behind the Cardinals and Pirates.
Nope. The only suggestion I made was that I wouldn't make the deal on either side. For the Yankees, trading Gardner forces Soriano into everyday LF, and Vernon Wells as the everyday DH. That would erase any upgrade that Bailey would provide to the rotation. For the Reds, trading Bailey for a player who is going to be a free agent isn't the best long term plan for them.
As for throwing in Phillips, that would be a nice gift from the Reds. 4/50 isn't a big overpay with baseball salaries booming, and he's still a useful player who would be an upgrade over the garbage they currently have at 2B.