BornToRun
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Doesn't necessarily mean we'll trade for him. I wonder what Philly wants.
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It seems as though the discussion has moved beyond that point. Oh well, agree to disagree and thanks for debating like an adult and not a tool.
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Drew's average is pretty meaningless. He has a solid for a SS OPS with passable on base skills and power. He's also been surprisingly good defensively.
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Middlebrooks' worst is still more than what can be expected of Iggy going forward. And if WMB flames out, we still have Garin. Iggy has too weak of a bat for 3rd and can't field the position and he sure as hell ain't gonna be the SS with Xander taking that spot. He was destined to be either a trade chip or utility man.
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I think Vic and Ells are going to be god send for him. Dude is a FB pitcher and our CF/RF defense is pretty awesome.
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Sources saying Lee isn't getting moved today FWIW.
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Exactly. I can't say for sure what Peavy's final line for the Red Sox will be this year but I'm fairly confident it will be better than a 4.28 ERA.
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And the fact that he was likely suffering from a busted rib doesn't matter. I think it's fair to at least raise the idea that the two horrible starts were outliers and when you take out two great starts to go with them, the middle ground is still really good. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that while he has a 4.28 ERA, it's heavily weighted by two truly terrible starts where he might've been pitching hurt and his peripherals suggest he's likely to be getter going forward. His issue is home runs and the monster might offer him some help with righties and Fenway doesn't exactly have the best environment for lefty power hitters due to our huge right field.
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I think that can be argued against by using the gospel of SSS.
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I took out the two bad ones, the CG and one of the 7 innings with 1 run starts and got 3.74, and a 4.00 when you took out the other 7 1 ER.
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I think I get it. So you're saying that 7 innings with 1 ER isn't good enough to or rare enough to compensate for the terrible starts he made before going on the DL?
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I'm confused lol
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What has me excited is that his peripherals are solid and his big issue is lefties who are slugging .488 off of him (.306 on base) and I'm thinking that our huge right field with Vic out there and Ells in center should help him with that.
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This. It's a full on guarantee that the pitching is going to work itself out. Always does.
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How do you calculate what would constitute equal value in a good start compared to the bad ones? I'm not arguing, just curious.
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Took away the two 6 ER starts as well as a 1 ER CG and one of 7 IP and 1 ER. Came out to 57 2/3 inning with 24 ER allowed which is a 3.74 ERA. Edit: I think similar performance is a fair expectation when you factor in our good CF/RF defense with his low WHIP and good K/BB ratio.
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Time for me to do some math. Damn.
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Didn't the two starts where he got throttled come right before he went on the DL? Isn't it the least bit fair to say: "Yes he has an ERA of 4.28 but it was much better before he had two bad starts in which he was pitching hurt and the other numbers suggest its a decent possibility that he pitches more like the guy he was before the injury going forward."?
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Even if we're only talking about 1 or 2 starts over the course of a 30 or so start season? If someone throws up a 3.50 ERA but has two blow ups that jacks it to 4.00, you don't think it's the least bit reasonable to think he's closer to the 3.50 than the 4? Not saying you have to agree but I don't think the philosophy isn't understandable. I thinks it's similar to not judging relievers too heavily by ERA because one rough go of it is enough to dilute the overall numbers.
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As far as Lee goes, I make a low offer that doesn't consist of Xander, JBJ, Garin, Barnes, Owens, or Webster(okay maybe Webster) and tell him it's the best they're gonna get. If Amaro is desperate and says yes, awesome. If not, no big deal.
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Precisely.
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I understand your line of thinking and agree with you. People always say that you can't pick and choose but if a guy has one or two really bad outings and is good the rest of the way, I think it's fair to say he's been better than the stat line is giving him credit for.
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Drew has an OPS of .718 as a SS and has played solid defense. There is no rational reason for disliking him. He's been fine. Iggy had an absurd, luck fueled hot streak but has since regressed to hitting like a blind pitcher for over a month now. Between Drew at short and whatever we pencil in at 3rd, Iggy's departure will hardly be noticed because he couldn't play the hot corner too well anyway and his bat had already started to come down closer to his actual talent level.
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Thanks, buddy.
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Agreed. Never had much of a problem with BC.
