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HOW DO I SAVE THIS TO MY FAVORITES?!?!? http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1058582/ShoppachSlide.gif.opt.gif

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=277417&game=gid_2012_04_07_bosmlb_detmlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=.gif And you think the reason he got hit hard was velocity?!?! I don't care if he was throwing 105, he was throwing middle middle middle. That's why he was getting torched. Today' he's living on the black. That's the difference.

D-Mac just roped that ball.

https://twitter.com/#!/IanMBrowne/status/190902910429839360 No, but Price had a better outing because he only allowed 3 ER and threw more pitches. Because the more pitches you throw, the better pitcher you are.

Well it's actually 7 and 1/3 because it's not the 9th inning. When he's throwing in the 9th and has 1 out, is he going to have thrown 9 and 1/3 innings? Oh and by the way, coming into this game, the Rays had the 2nd best OPS in the AL behind the Tigers. They put up 4 ER on Verlander. They put up 5 ER on Sabathia. They've been a pretty good offense this season.

A lot of good plays defensively today.

Good. Let's never give any credit where credit is due.

Wow. Guess if you can't beat em, injure them til you can. Wade Davis about hit Pedroia in the face.

Josh Beckett: 0 K's today. Wow. By the way - Lets not forget that Crawford should be back in 2-3 weeks.

Hahaha. Wow. Wow.

That's fine. I can deal with a guy like Sweeney in the OF for 2-3 weeks. If it's 2-3 weeks or less, I'd be thrilled.

Ellsbury has a "right shoulder injury" per Red Sox PR staff, that will be further evaluated. Well duh, we all saw the replays. Let's just hope it's a strained or jammed shoulder and nothing broken.

Well, what I mean by calculating it based on BABIP is that it would normalize a pitchers BABIP to .300, meaning it takes the fielders out of it and determines a pitchers FIP based on a constant of .300. Same thing for LOB% - Standardize it to around 72%. That's why I thought those numbers were included. But if not, my opinion on FIP may change. By the way - Bard's WAR after what Eck referred to as a "worse than mediocre" performance is 0.3. Last year, in 70 IP, his WAR was 1.8. So, if he has 6 starts of equal value, he will have been as valuable to this team as he was during the entire year last year based on WAR.

So FIP only takes into consideration HR, walks, and K's? It must have some kind of direct correlation with BABIP because players with higher BABIP's have lower FIPs, and vice versa. But the fact that it's Fielder Independent Pitching makes it seem as thought it would utilize BABIP and LOB% rather than not using it, because a pitcher can't control the defense behind him (i.e. low range, bad arms, etc).

Just to be clear on how unlucky Bard was in his first start, here are some stats: 1. He had 11 ground balls, 6 of which went for hits. 2. His BABIP was .471. That's an insane number. 3. He only stranded 44% of baserunners. 4. He had 18 (!!!!!) swing and misses in just 5 innings. That's outrageous. 5. Although I'm against using FIP, I will use it here because it would at least normalize these numbers. His ERA right now is 9.00. His FIP is 0.99. His xFIP is 1.82. He had an excellent start, but he was hosed by terrible luck. By the numbers, his 64.7% ground ball rate should have resulted in an outstanding outing, as ground balls result in the lowest runs (Line drives are death to pitchers, while ground balls are the best for a pitcher. In numerical terms, line drives produce 1.26 runs/out, fly balls produce 0.13 R/O, and ground balls produce only 0.05 R/O). He basically just got about as screwed as a pitcher could get in his first outing.

Agree completely. I also think Darnell McDonald has a big game against him. Somehow, DMac rakes against Price (.350/.458/.800(!!!!)/1.258).

I believe the word you're looking for is "barometer". :thumbsup:

Well, judging by the detail and amount of information, I think it was someone much higher up than a bat boy or the equivalent. It was someone from the front office. Not sure who it was, although I hear it was none of the owners. But regardless, you can't be sure. All we know is that there is a massive, massive scumbag that is working with the Red Sox. What needs to happen is for the ownership to say "Listen, Terry. We didn't always see eye to eye, and that's fine. But what was written about you after you left is absolutely unacceptable, and we are going to sniff out the person who divulged the information and you can take whatever actions you want to against him, and obviously he will be fired on the spot. We would love to have you at Fenway for the 100 year anniversary, but completely understand if you decline." But that will never happen because the ownership group is a bunch of egotistical pricks who care about 2 people. Themselves and Benjamin Franklin.

Well, I honestly can't believe that the Sox, after that horrid September, and the horrid start last year, and knowing that if they would have just started out decently that they would have made the PS last year, I just cannot fathom how they could possibly come out and stumble out of the gate again this year. It all got bottled up and came out at once. Sorry for the overreaction fellas. I'll try to keep them to a minimum.

Having said that, Youkilis still is beyond terrible, and even rationally speaking, I think he is toast this year. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Middlebrooks is called up around the ASB, due to either injury or consistent poor performance by Youk (more likely the former)

Hey. I know I overreact when we lose, but in the same respect, I celebrate the hell out of our wins too. I'm a passionate, hysterical fan. When Papelbon said that the Sox fans are more hysterical than the Phillies fans, I'm the guy he was probably talking about, although I do have limits and would not throw a fake limb down for a signature. Anyway, it's just being passionate. Different people react different ways. I am the type of fan that lives and dies with every pitch, and then after the game is over and I have time to get over it, I'll be more rational. But just because some people react differently than you doesn't justify calling other people ****s.

That doesn't mean that it's the recipe for winning, and also they had a bullpen who was elite from mid- April to late August, thanks in large part to Bard's 1.37 ERA and Pap's 2.68 ERA. I'm not saying this season is doomed, but I am saying that they are playing as bad as they did in September right now and if they don't turn it around quickly, they're in danger of getting really, really far behind in a really, really quick rate. The thing is - last year this team started out 2-10 but it wasn't a huge deal because even the best time in the AL East (the Yankees at that time) was only 7-5, so it's not like anyone started out red hot. This year, the Rays are 5-1 right now and the Sox are already 4 games back at 1-5. Last year, at 2-10, they were only 5 games back because nobody started out well. Again, the Sox can very well go home and sweep the Rays at Fenway and be 5-5 and tied with the Rays and turn it all around. Or they could also come home and get swept by the Rays, be 1-9, and be looking at an 8 game deficit to make up. That's a big hill to climb.

Give me a break dude. The smear campaign that they posted on Francona was absolutely pathetic. I wouldn't come back to Fenway if I were Francona, either. It was inexcusable and unbelievable that someone would spill all of that information about Francona after he brought 2 WS titles to this city. You've got to be a complete low life piece of s*** to give that information to the media. And I'm not even a huge Francona fan.