SoxFanForsyth

You should read MLB Trade Rumors. Unfortunately your $28k income prohibits you from it. The Yanks are getting under the $189mm threshold. Having ARod (27.5mm) + Tex (22.5mm) + Hamilton ($25mm) + Sabathia (24.4mm) + Cano ($25mm) all locked up to long term deals isn't exactly cohesive to that plan, now, is it? $124.4mm locked up to 5 players? Uh. No.

Pineda is a monster too. Look at all those innings he logged in 2012!

Could potentially set the market for Brian Wilson. Similar situations.

A long term deal is 6-8 years. 5 years is a comfortable contract for Hamilton. A 5 year/125 deal would be a solid deal. 6 years is a no go. Somewhere in your incoherent rants, you missed that.

Side note: Past 2 seasons: Player A: .275/.379/.552/.931, 54 HR Player B: .319/.377/.505/.882, 45 HR It's probably obvious, but Player A is Napoli, Player B is Adrian Gonzalez. And Napoli's numbers should only get better, moving to 1B (more games played) and playing 1/2 of his games at Fenway.

He did it 1 year. And he's 38 years old. Why the hell would the Sox give a future MLB regular that is under club control for 6 years up for a guy who won't even be in the league in 4 years??

He's 38. He's got a career 3.98 ERA He's got a career 4.23 FIP. He was pitching at Citi Park. That field is enormous. It's laughable that they asked for Bogaerts OR Bradley.

Yes. The 38 year old RA Dickey should bring back a top 30 prospect.

Every once in a while my posts do. I do think the Sox move Salty for Floyd, too. Both have 1 year left on their deals, Floyd making 9.5mm and Salty around 4.5mm. I don't think Floyd turns this team around to a contender, but I think he's a nice step forward.

It's certainly not that they don't think they need SP, but the positional players market has developed much faster than the SP market first off. Second, if this team is looking to deal for a SP via trade, then that typically takes a while to develop too. Understandably, we all want the Sox to address the pitching, but at the same time you have to react to the market. You can't neglect your offense and look for pitching when offensive players are moving quicker. I know it sucks that they haven't moved on a SP yet, but the SP market has hardly moved outside of Guthrie and Santana.

Sox met with the Mets about Dickey today. Mets asked for Bogaerts and Bradley Jr. Hahahahahaha. That's hilarious.

I think Napoli is a bit more than a TTO guy, though. At Fenway, assuming he's healthy, he can hit you .265. More than an Adam Dunn/Carlos Pena type IMO. More of a 2009 Jason Bay type, assuming health.

I didn't say 35-40. I said 30-40. And he hit 30 in 2011 in 113 games, and 23 in 2012 in 108 games. Not only will he be playing more games because he won't be catching as much (think: 140-145), but he will also be playing at Fenway, where his pull happy, lofty swing will be perfect. I think a consistent 30-40 HR season from Napoli is exactly what we can expect, largely due to his increase in games played, as well as the monster.

Side note: With Ortiz, Pedroia, Gomes, Napoli, and Middlebrooks, the Sox have a nasty, nasty lineup vs LHP. Which is excellent, considering CC, Price, Romero, Buhrle, etc all in the AL East.

I am pumped about this deal. The fact the Sox didn't have to go 4 years on him is fantastic. And $13mm AAV is a steal for a guy who will consistently give you 30-40 HR, a .350 OBP, and a middle of the order, RH bat. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Napoli has an OPS of over 1.000 at Fenway this year, with an OPS of around .850 on the road, .925 overall.

You could probably get Garza for just Cecchini + Workman to be honest. Maybe even just Cecchini, considering Garza didn't pitch since July 21, and he had a tough year outside of that. Maybe Salty would be a better fit for a team that needs a C and is trying to win now, like the Mets for Niese, or to the ChiSox for Floyd (both would have to include more than just Salty). The Sox certainly have flexibility. If they can sign Haren, they can make one of those 3 moves and have a solid rotation going into 2013, and a very solid lineup.

I did miss that. But he certainly wasn't an ace in 2011. He was much closer to an ace in 2007 than in 2011. He didn't touch 200 innings, and completely bombed in September. Plus, I think Buch's year in 2010 was better than Beckett's 2011 year, and give me Lester 08 and Lester 10 over Beckett 2011.

I don't think anyone gives him 7. I think he gets 5 with an option. And I also think the Sox have the $$ to spend on Hamilton (5/120-125) and Napoli (3/33), and still give Haren a deal as well. I'm not sold on Marcum, I don't like soft tossers, but I would be interested in seeing if the Cubs would bite on a deal for Garza involving Salty. Here's my breakdown: Hamilton: $25mm AAV Napoli: $11mm AAV Haren: $13.5mm AAV Garza: $12mm AAV Salty: ($2.5mm AAV, 2012 numbers) Brian Wilson: 1 Year/$7mm Total: $66mm added Total Payroll: $155-$160mm Consider Haren and Garza will both be off the books next year, and will be replaced by Webster and De La Rosa. Ellsbury will likely be gone, replaced by Bradley Jr. That's about $35mm off the books alone right there, and they'll easily be able to stay under the lux tax.

Napoli will be getting between 10-12mm annually. Not superstar money by any means, and not an overpay for a guy with his talent.

Lucchino was on MLB on XM today with Bowden, and it sounds like the Sox are very much in on Hamilton, but likely wont go more than 5 years. But 5/120-125 would likely get it done. Perhaps with a team option and a 10mm buyout.

With fans like you, who needs the Yankees?

Beckett had a career 4.17 era with the Sox. Buchholz has a career 3.92 era, and Lester a career 3.76. But no, Beckett was the best. :lol:

This is hilarious.

Couple things: First off, Napoli put up 30 HR in 113 games in 2011, and 23 in 108 games in 2012. His 162 game average over the past 2 seasons gives him 40 HR and a .931 OPS. Playing 1B on a regular basis not only will allow him to play more games and increase counting stats like HR, it will also keep him healthier than having to catch 65-70 games a season. Second, even in his down year he posted a .345 OBP, and the two year average is a .379 OBP. He grinds out at bats, seeing 4.43 pitches per plate appearance last year, second only to AJ Ellis at 4.44. I completely agree with UN that he is likely going to give you right smack in the middle of 2011 and 2012. That puts him at .275/.379/.552. Give him 155 games and he will smack you 35-40 HR, especially with his lofted, pull heavy swing. He's an excellent option to hit in the 4 or 5 slot for the Sox, and having him hitting behind Ortiz will give Ortiz a lot of protection, especially against LHP, who Ortiz hit to a staggering .985 OPS in 2012 and .989 OPS in 2011. I am 110% all for Napoli. He is, and should be, the Sox top target for 1B and top positional target this offseason.

3/45 is my guess. And that may be worth it to have that shut down guy. But I'd be more willing to give Brian Wilson less money and take a shot on him though.