Dojji
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That's a heck of a way to lose a hockey game. if his helmet doesn't fall off, or if he was allowed to play on without one, it'd still be scoreless.
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In objective numbers, I agree, but if you're talking about a guy Boston should pay, I feel Beckett has a few advantages.
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I can't agree with that. I think Beckett is worth paying more than Lee is, pending the results from this season.
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Can't count on the Russians to do *anything* right.
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Looks like the Canadian team is finally awake.
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OK -- well, it'd be optimistic, but his skillset never depended that much on mobility to begin with -- he was always slow-footed, he's always depended much more on positioning, a strong arm and good reflexes than on the athletic plays Beltre makes, so as long as his hip is healthy enough that he can push off it properly, and he doesn't try to play through any more injuries, I don't see why he can't be average -- not as good as he was in 2006-2008, but not a liability with the glove. Just because he doesn't get all of his mobility back doesn't mean he can't get enough back to be effective.
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I have to ask what you mean by an average 3B. Do you mean someone with average overall WAR? IE, with an above average bat and a below average glove canceling each other out? Or do you mean an average defensive 3B?
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Did I say I was expecting Lowell to be elite defensively? No, I said he could be an above average overall player. Which Beltre won't be for all his defensive glory if he doesn't hit a whole lot better than he did last year.
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So other than Lowell who would our RH bench bat be? Our LH one is probably Hermida, but unless Hall recaptures his old glory, Lowell will be important.
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I have no freaking idea how that wound up in this thread. I posted it over in the JD Drew thread.
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So he didn't let them open his shoulder and take a look at its overall health? Let me guess -- that's the shoulder that, if it's bad and he misses games because of it last year, he loses the last year of his contract.
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*Snrrk* Seriously though this isn't a part of Lowell I actually appreciate. I don't think the decision not to get the surgery he needed in July 2008 when it was first obvious he was hurt was Lowell's. But it didn't help, and playing for an additional month on a torn hip labrum had to have its role to play in the complications that impeded him this year. the decision to play through that injury hurt the team in the long run, and it wasn't hard to spot at the time. I said at the time that he needed to bite the bullet and do what it took to get healthy, even before we were sure it was a labrum tear. I don't know if we'd have gotten him back before the playoffs, but if he goes on the 60-day in July, we could at least have brought someone else in by the trade deadline and not have had to rely on freaking Kotsay. And he'd have had a few more months of rehab before we put him back on the field last year.
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As late as 2008, Mike Lowell and Adrian Beltre were both well above average according to UZR/150. In fact 2008 was Lowell's best year of his career defensively. You are basically discounting Lowell entirely on the basis of one bad year in which he was hurt. If he's recovered from his hip injury there's no reason he cannot defend well enough to be an above average player overall. Both are very competent defenders when healthy. Beltre's range makes him a little better on the whole but not so much that Lowell can't make up for it in other areas if he has a good year or if Beltre has a bad one.
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Bill Lee had one great season, 2 decent seasons, and then I guess he got hurt in 76? Really wasn't the same after that anyhow.
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I think Beltre may be OK too, but if Lowell *is* still here, and he's as healthy as all that, I'm going to want Beltre to prove effective before he's named the presumptive starter. If for no other reason than to establish Lowell's trade value. These player controversies have a way of working themselves out, and we have room for all of Lowell, Beltre, Youkilis and Ortiz on the 25-man roster right now. Since there isn't a ton to choose from between Lowell and Beltre when they're both healthy and it's mostly just a question of different skillsets (Beltre's got better range, power and athleticism, Lowell's got better positioning, hits for better average, and has some of the softest hands of any 3B in history) I think that it's very likely that the two will split 3B fairly evenly at first, until the play of the two men on the field establishes what needs to happen next.
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Where I'm not that enthusiastic about Beltre, I don't object to having 3 other guys who can cover third if needed.
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OK, let me clarify then. I don't believe in it, and if it did exist, it wouldn't speak well of a player's ability to motivate himself in other years. I'm betting on a monster year from Beckett too, but mostly because I think he's due.
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We don't? C: Varitek, VMart IF: Youk, Beltre, Lowell, Pedroia, Hall, Scutaro OF: Hermida, Camreon, Drew, Ellsbury DH: Ortiz That's 13 position players. As long as we're counting on Hall to back up SS, we've got our positions covered too. So what am I missing?
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Actually yeah I did, but IMHO it doesn't change a ton. I really don't believe in the contract year phenomenon, and as I said I have little respect for a player who's only motivated to do his job when there's a contract in the offing.
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Spuddy check PM plz.
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From the OP, this is Schilling talking: So if "Contract Year" happens, IMHO it'd be a coincidence.
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Because Beltre's walk year in Seattle was fantastic. Anywho, I'd take improved performance from Beckett in a walk year, but I lose respect for guys who can only focus well enough to perform at their peaks when there's money on the table. I'd rather know that I had a guy who'd give 100% at all times.
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*removed because of the below post*
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a700 brought up Clemens as a relevant example of a power pitcher who'd had shoulder issues early in his career and went on to have a long career. There were plenty of others he could have used -- John Smoltz and Curt Schilling would both have applied well enough. You were the one who sent us on this pointless, massive digression by attempting to claim a moral victory by planting your flag on a meaningless technicality that had no bearing on anything that came before it.
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