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I like Kevin Cash being available to catch Wake.

Just to make TheKilo happy:

Honest question to you guys - are you glad to see anyone on the list? I will start with my confession. Only person I am happy is exposed is Clemens - I could never stand that phoney guy. I do not want to see him going in HOF wearing a Yankee cap.

They did say list is incomplete - I still think it could be valid - we will know soon.

We knew Giambi is on the list - Boone is so revealing. So - now what is the score of that 2003 ALCS game 7 again?

Only thing I can think of is monetary(contract + endoresements) or HOF credential loss.

Good point - just to make sure I do not wish him to be on the list as well as any players from Red Sox as I am a fan of the team.

So far the 'unofficial' list has more prominant Red Sox(Nomar, Varitek, Nixon) than Yankees - I am sure the real list will have more names from the Yankees.

In an unofficial list that has been circulated through Bloomburg.

Question for RSN - how do you feel that the 'captain' is on the list? You guys might know this that I was never a big fan of him - always thought his abilities were overrated and dirt dog approach(like Nixon's who is probably also on list) is religiously worshipped by fans.

Nice thread in the Yankee board. As much as everone hates Bonds - if there is no HOF for him then there is no HOF for Clemens also. I totally agree - you will have to be fair and just and not look at the images/perception only.

He is also the trainer for Pettite - I am loving this so far.

What kind of sucker Cashman looks now and how Steinberner feels about spending 28 million on him? Oh yeah - I want another dropped call commercial with Cashman involving steroids.

The Bergen Record reported that "several" prominent Yankees players would be named at this afternoon's news conference. No Mets from the current were expected to be named, a source told the Record. My take - Rocket is included for sure. I would say A-Rod is 50%.

Hope he is not Igawa's long lost brother.

OK I spelt his name wrong in the title - and not sure how to fix. Mods?

I am not sure where I am confusing you - let's start over. I am ready to offer Ellsbury for Santana - so clearly I see benifit gained by Sanatana and loosing Ellsbury. After that - I think we are better off with an upgrade in the CF or a good back-up to challenge Coco(unlikely to happen). I think if we flat out give the CF job to Coco and he does not improve at all - then the chances for us to repeat will be less next year(even with Sanatana abroad). I am not happy about that scenario - but I can somehow live with it if we get Santana for Ellsbury and Crisp in CF for 2008. That is because I think Crisp will be surely gone by 2008 season end if he has another poor season. Getting Santana long term might set us up for multiple championship if Santana does not get hurt or losses his stuff. Long term view - I love Santana trade. For the next season - having Crisp might hurt our chances if he does not clean up his act( and I am not sure he will improve in his offence).

Yes - it's about Crisp only. I don't think the other teams see great value with Coco's total package - and they are not calling Theo up for a trade for Coco. I think that Coco's balanced package would have been nice in a team like 2003-2005 Red Sox. 2007 team was actually light on offence and we did get by because the Yankees were slacking in the first half and because of our pitching but we should not push our luck. I remember lot of games where the piching was light's out but the offence really let us down( Dice-k suffered most if my memory serves me right). And - we do have the same questions with 2008 team as basically they are the same team( Manny's being Manny, Ortiz's injury, Lowell's effectiveness, Drew/Lugo's/Youk's consistency, Varitek's ineffectiveness etc.). That's why Ellsbury made a difference last year - because he was a spraking plug in the tepid offence ( the bottom part of the line-up before Jacoby was downright aweful). I would argue that he might have helped some other players like Youk and Lugo to get their form back by taking pressure off and he always kept pressure on opposing pitcher and defense. Now - is he replacable ? - absolutely specially for someone like Sanatana. But being already light in offence and seeing what I saw last year - I think we do need an upgrade to make the play-offs. That's why - for this team - I do not think Coco's total package is enough for this team to repeat. Hopefully I have made my opinion clear. Now - if we trade Jacoby we might have to settle for Coco for next year at least for the lack of better alternatives. But - I will not be exactly happy about that.

TheKilo - I like your response. I just have one question for you - and this is a honest question( I am not being smart-ass). I don't think Coco will regress defensively. Looks like you think he will do well in offence - I would like to know your reasoning on how you would come to that conclusion.

I told you before - I like your post, your sarcasm and your sense of humor. But sometime - I find you too inflexible to see the obvious - and I have almost never seen you changing your viewpoint. I am not talking about his defense at all. If you think that he should be in the line-up based on his offense last year - we must have been watching different games. I know that we have been so stats happy recently - but as Rician Blast has put it so nicely - there are some of us who actually watched almost all the games every season. By the year-end - Coco's confidence was so shot - he could hardly hold the bat. This is not about Coco vs Ellsbury - its about Coco only. I will be happy if he turns it aorund - but after watching him for 2 seasons in Cleveland and now 2 seasons in Boston - he is a late defensive pinch running replacement in my opinion. I never get into arguments with the other posters because I respect individual opinions unlike some others and also think it is not fair to other forum members to see arguments thrown back and forth in these threads. If you want to disagree - I respect your opinion. I am confident that I am not alone in thinking that no way we give Coco the starting CF job next year. If he can reclaim it by playing well - I will applaud him.