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Billingsley's not walking through that door people! Seriously. I agree with JM here, a front-line starter who's going to pitch for league-minimum for a few years doesn't get included in the package. They have the up-and-coming bats to give them enough of an edge in that crap division without Manny, simply by keeping Billingsley and Broxton. If they do the deal (and IMO I think they're only in the picture to raise the price for SD or SF+) Loney/Laroche is the centerpiece. To be honest, if the Sox could get Loney and Laroche I'd prefer that to a deal centering around Linebrink. I know we need the bullpen help, but relief arms are such fussy things. When you're trading a talent like Manny you want to get as much of a sure thing(s) as possible.
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Even if Manny is traded we have: WMP Crisp *Drew Hinske *Nixon Whither Murphy? (Pawtucket we assume, and that's probably OK for a while) A WMP / Nixon platoon doesn't really make sense because as of last year WMP couldn't hit lefties either (.660 OPS vs. .946 vs RHP). Maybe he fixes that, maybe not, but regardless, all the talk about him has been that he hasn't had the constistency of playing time to develop. So if Nixon accepts, the FO is spending $6.5 million to bring back a character guy who: 1) Can't hit LHP (like both platoon-mate options) 2) Is oft-injured 3) Is a mediocre fielder 4) Will block the development of at least one projectible player (WMP/Murphy) All, one assumes, in the hope of his turning it down so they get a draft pick. I hope they know something we don't. I like Nixon, everybody does, but unless an OF besides Manny is getting moved (or god forbid Youks with Hinske playing 1B fulltime - shudder), this doesn't make a ton of sense to me. One guy's opinion, per usual.
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BSN7, Hall's name has been talked (among us amateurs at least) about as a target, but it was speculated Milwaukee's asking price would be pretty steep (and in this market not sure that would change). Still, signing Lugo will cost a first-round pick if LA gives him arb, so trading some chips for Hall might be more attractive in light of Lugo's contract demands in that scenario. I definitely like him, myself. Good THT article on him here.
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Huh? I can only assume this is a reaction to last year's injury bug, but it seems like a little much. In terms of the outfield Hinske is Nixon, so really you'd need both Youks and another OF down for this to make sense. Moreover, WMP had a massive reverse split last year (OPS .660 vs. LHP / .946 vs. RHP) - wouldn't you want to make certain that was aberrant before you force him into a platoon situation where he only hits lefties? His three-years' are flat, but still, it's possible his new Sox-inspired appraoch at the plate makes him succeptable to LHP.
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Yeah, Hughes and Cabrera and a B+-level, Duncan-type, I'm thinking. s***, Florida had an outside chance at the playoffs last year. Why not see if they can drum up some attendance on that puppy before you trade DW?
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You start by saying that you want "GOOD discussion", then immediately assert something about me that is the complete antithesis of the body of my posts. Nice work. Maybe it would be better to try to have people discuss a single trade, or even a single year, as you've done above. That might allow the thread to have some manageable focus and not devolve into churlishness. Then folks could have better-defined dialogue about finite scenarios that would allow them to back up their statements with understandable facts, and/or media consensus points. Maybe I'm the only person who is tired of the multitude of vague assertions around the "Theo Sucks" versus "Theo Is God" threads, and tired of the resulting infighting. I will leave.
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But they got caught. Bonds and Giambi are in exactly the same boat - we know that they know that we know that they know that everyone knows, etc. etc. - but they haven't been caught. Again, I'm not advocating a Bonds signing, I'm simply stating that he is in play.
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Good signing for the Tribe. Delucci - Michaels platoon should work. They get "one" decent outfielder for around $6 Mil a year. Steal in this market.
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Scaff, Youks may not be the biggest 1B bat around, but can this team afford to lose him if they're getting back arms and unproven positional players in the Manny trade? He accounts for a fair number of runs. If they somehow pull off a deal for Teixeira then yeah, I could see him going, but otherwise who plays first? Murphy I could definitely see going somewhere, he doesn't seem to fit.
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One of the big issues around trading Manny is protecting Papi. Now, I am not advocating this, because he is a cheating douche, but there is one bat on the market that could protect Ortiz if Manny is traded, and that is Barry Bonds (yes, he's LHH, it shouldn't really matter). I haven't lived in Boston for a few years, but can I still assume the Fenway Faithful would rather see Papi walk 200 times than see Bonds in a Sox uniform, and would they throw batteries at Bonds every game? Or would we stomach the poison for a serious run during Schill's last year? I know I shouldn't even bring this up, and let's try to keep it civilized, but I'm curious to see if there are any Machievellian fans out there. One could argue that since the Yanks have Giambi we're owed a PED-er. But it would cost the Nation's pride, which I suspect most of us think is too high a price, especially after the Matsuzaka signing. Is there anyone out there who would take Bonds for a year?
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Agreed, RB. Just trying to keep up with the news.
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I think Snyder showed enough that he'd find a home elsewhere if let go, and maybe that's OK. Pauley could be moved off the 40. Dinardo I'd guess stays or is packaged away after a good AFL stint. To be honest, I think I'd let Gabbard go in favor of Spann. Mediocre peripherals and production throughout the minors - doesn't miss bats or throw strikes. Seems like he's just pretty big and lefty. You've probably got information that can backup or contradict that, Scaff, but that's my layman's view. Spann may never be great or even good at the MLB level but I'll keep the guy who keeps working and improving.
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Aside on the Lugo scenario, apparently he's agreed to play CF if the Cubs are a serious suitor: link.
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Sox, Boras Oceans Apart in negotiations
Bosoxwest replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
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Loretta now maybe heading to SF - http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=2148&line=197154&spln=1
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Worst. Thread. Ever.
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Sox, Boras Oceans Apart in negotiations
Bosoxwest replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The Matsuzaka negotiations bear no resemblance to other Boras negotiations. He can only negotiate with the Sox unless he wants to enter a very risky area, and alienate his player who by ALL accounts is dying to play in MLB this season. In spite of his being the anti-christ, Boras has some small interest in doing what DM wants, and Borass himself of course has a vested interest in getting the deal done now, too. I don't think he particularly wants to wait two more years of 140-pitch count games to get back to the table. Both sides (mostly the Sox though) also benefit from presenting a wide gulf between their pricepoints, in that Seibu is strapped for cash, and may be enticed to kick in a little to get this done. If the deal looks too easy they can just sit back and watch. Both Boras and Theo want to get them to the table. -
This is ridiculous. At age 24 in AAA Mark Loretta was a tweener MIF who put up an OPS of .737 after putting up .767 in AA at age 23. At age 23 in AAA Dustin Pedroia was a tweener MIF who put up an OPS of .810, after putting up an OPS of .917 in Portland at age 22. At age 35 Loretta had an OPS of .706, and 23-year old Pedroia only put up a .561 OPS. They both sucked. However, their peripherals were pretty well matched: BB rate: Loretta 7 % / Pedroia 7% (although historically Pedroia's IsoD is far superior) K rate: Loretta 9% / Pedroia 7% (Pedroia = lowest on team) LD%: Loretta 27.1% / Pedroia 22.5% (both good, Loretta exceptional) IsoP: Loretta .076 / Pedroia .112 (Pedroia showed more power) BABIP: Loretta .310 / Pedroia .181 (Pedroia under Cub-esque curse at the plate) DEF: RF: Loretta 4.88 / Pedroia 6.19 ZR: Loretta .805 / Pedroia .857 These guys are basically the same mental and physical make-up: the difference is Pedroia is more athletic, and freaking 12 years younger, and $2.6M cheaper. He will start at 2B next year, as he should.
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Sarge Sr. was pretty prodcuctive his 32,33,34 yrs, after which back injuries nipped his career. At age 33 he came in 5th in MVP voting. Maybe the Angels are banking on like father, like son. This is kind of a crazy contract when you look at Matthews, but the Angels have so much young, cost-controlled talent, they may have figured they'd overspend early to protect themselves up the middle, then see how the market panned out as the rest of the offseason unfolded. If Matthews doesn't regress and they did absolutely nothing else they would still look pretty to very good to make the playoffs next year. I'd take him over Pierre for sure. Meanwhile Anaheim's made a statement to Boston that they won't overpay for Manny in a trade, protecting themselves there. Given that they had the purse, this deal isn't that insane when you look at the whole picture. In which, yes, one stipulates that baseball is broken. I don't think it impacts the Drew negotiations too greatly. Even if no other team wanted him Boras would say three did, and it would be hard to disprove. He'll get his money.
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Since Gonzo is in fact gonzo, this thread should probably be renamed Lugo vs. Stopgap, or Lugo vs. Options?.... After Lugo the best free agent shortstops are Counsell and Clayton, neither of whom should be starting for the Sox, although Counsell is the lesser of the two evils. Either Theo over pays for Lugo, or as bsn07 stated, he's gonna have to get creative.
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Do the Sox's need to resign Mirabelli?
Bosoxwest replied to scaffolds's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Rotoworld reporting the Sox are close to signing Alberto Castillo. In other news, Mirabelli's agent just lit a cigar. Linky -
It pretty much looks like we're stuck between overpaying for Lugo or starting Counsell, Cora, or Pedroia. Or taking a little of the Manny valuation for one of Anaheim's young SS prospies. Or, I suppose, taking a flier on a Clint Barmes resurrection, via trade. But mostly, the first thing.
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Papi had a .988 OPS against LHP last year. I would suspect the days of pulling your pitcher to throw a LOOGY up against him are just about gone.
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Wait, I feel like I'm catching some inference here that Damon is a better player than Drew, which is not true. He might be a little "dirt doggier", but Damon's only edge is speed, and arguably health (although he played 3 games more than Drew last year and is older). If you remove Damon's performance in Game 7 of the ALCS, which granted is tough for us to do, we are not even having this conversation. Drew should be paid more. If I am missing something, my apologies.