TheKilo

McCutchen, Whelan, and Gardner haven't been mentioned at all. Curious as to why Heyman brings them up here. I'd agree with his thought process if the Yanks were offering Hughes. They're not. If the hang up is Ellsbury, I'll be disappointed. Moss hasn't been mentioned either. And saying "they don't have the desperation of the Yankees", when they are making a better offer (on the condition the Yanks won't include Hughes) has no relevance at all.

Of course he does. Even though he recognizes Lowrie fills a position of need for them. Crisp and Cabrera are comparable players. The question is, do the twins want to have a long term investment in a player that is similar to Crisp and block Ben Revere, their best positional prospect. Jacko won't recognize the fact the Boston deal makes more sense for the Twins, especially if the Yanks aren't including Hughes or Joba. The fact that the Sox are even dangling a 5* prospect makes them the favorites and rightly so.

I'd be interested in seeing how they rated Lester, Buchholz, and Ellsbury. I think at least the last two have the potential to be five star prospects.

Yank's Can't Let Sox Get Santana

Melky Cabrera 2007: .273/.327/.391 Coco Crisp 2007: .268/.330/.382 Yeah, much better with the bat.

Explain plz.

And it's better than the Yanks offer of pennies on the dollar. Jacko, that deal fills positions of need with players who are very close to MLB ready. The Yanks could offer Tabata and other lower level prospects, but the risk for them is greater. Do they have upside? Sure. But the risk/reward may cause the Twins to take the Sox offer.

I'm pretty sure all indications are that the Yankees will not include Joba, so that's -1, and they're balking at Hughes. If you think the deal gets done without Hughes or Joba YOU'RE crazy. I think the article should be taken with a grain of salt, especially since the reporter can't spell Lowrie right, but that offer is better than any the Yanks would w/o including Hughes or Joba. Lester/Crisp/Lowrie/Masterson is better than Kennedy/Tabata/????/???

He signed for Piniero money and his upside to Piniero is so much higher. Ever hear of the concept of high risk, high reward?

I really, really think you overvalue Ellsbury as a prospect.

I think Clay is as close to an untouchable as the Sox have. I don't take it as gospel that he will increase his innings load by over 20% next season, because I don't want to risk injury. Yes, I know there's injury risk with all pitchers, but younger ones run an even higher risk. With the depth the Sox will start out with in 2008, I would prefer the Sox start Buchholz in AAA because I feel he can be a difference maker in October, should the Sox get there. What have we learned from Francona's managing style? It's a marathon, not a sprint? I hope they take the same tone with Buchholz. I'm interested in him being effective in 2008, sure, but it's most important in '09 and beyond when depth isn't as strong as it is now. If that's "babying him", then I guess I'm babying him.

SO they project 180 innings from him, but without knowing how he responds to the offseason training program or the increased workload. Basically, they're speculating. Moving on...

PEDs aside, Matt Williams would get in before Mo Vaughn

JHB, normally I don't take issues with your way of thinking, but on what planet is Santana not a good pitcher and an HoF lock? ERA+ since 2002: Santana - 149, 148, 182, 155, 161, 130 Mussina - 109, 129, 98, 96, 129, 87 If Santana is "not that good", who is?

Henderson's in...Cone maybe?

Taken from the article: I tend to agree with these points though.

He was also busted for illegal substances (PEDs?) in 2005.

I'll say Blyleven and Gossage. Rice probably doesn't deserve to get in, but this is his best chance. The class is very weak.

I'd like to interpret the article in the manner that the Sox have the best FO in all of baseball, as opposed to "Member X" being the best "Position Y" in all of baseball.

The real question becomes how does this affect the market for Santana? Do they feel they need the CF piece now, or go harder after pitching prospects with the loss of Garza?

Not to nitpick, but Fred Lynn didn't win 9 MVPs. Good thread idea though, I'd have to give it some thought.

John Madden was in New England to announce a football game one weekend when he noticed a special white telephone near the Patriots' bench. He asked QB Tom Brady what it was used for and Brady told him it was a hotline to God. John laughed and asked if he could use it. Brady replied with a grin, "Sure, but it will cost you $200." John scratched his head, then thought, what the heck, I could use some help picking games. He pulled out his wallet and paid $200. John's picks were perfect that week. The next week, John was in Indianapolis when he noticed that same kind of white phone on the Colts' bench. He asked what the telephone was for and Peyton Manning told him, "It's a hotline to God. If you want to use it, it will cost you $500." Recalling the previous week, John pulled out his wallet and made the call. John's picks were perfect again that week. The weekend after that, John was in Green Bay , when he noticed again the same white phone by the Packers' bench. He asked Brett Favre, "Is that the hotline to God?" Favre said, "Yes, and if you want to use it, it will cost you 50 cents." John looked incredulously at Favre and said, "Wait a second, I just paid $200 in New England and $500 in Indianapolis to use the same phone to God! Why do the Packers only charge 50 cents?" Favre replied, "Because in Green Bay, it's a local call."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-theo112707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1047493 http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/119622919654690.xml&coll=1

Your quote says he's thought about it but never discussed it. And also Which is why starting Buchholz is AAA makes a lot of sense.