TheKilo

Seriously? I mean, seriously? You think Mitchell was biased towards the Red Sox in these efforts? The Pettitte accusation is nothing new. he's been linked to PEDs before, and Roger isn't that much of a surprise. But being up in arms because Gabe Kapler's not on the damn list? WTF. This is a joke, as is your perception of the work Mitchell has done. Was he a smart hire? No. That shouldn't be the sole judgment off of his work though.

So we're gonna carry three catchers?

If he's the 3rd of 4th option, great. In no way should he be the backup.

While I can understand the stance that any player named hurts the game, seeing Clemens and Pettitte on the list doesn't make me shed a tear. As stated earlier in the thread, I would have LOVED to have seen Jeter on the list, if for no other reason than to try to see how Jacko would spin it.

What do you mean? Does Clemens surprise you?

No, I understand that the names on the list are reasonable...but the formatting makes me wary is all. Besides, MSNBC has posted this list, and is sourcing WNBC and CNBC. So, in essence, NBC is citing themselves. FYI - Dale and Holley just said there are numerous errors in the list. double edit - Gary Matthews Jr. is not on the list. Seems to be a glaring omission.

I agree. Do you honestly believe he'll go out of his way to protect Red Sox players?

I call ******** on this list for a few reasons: 1. Many of those named are those we already know about. Canseco, Caminiti, etc. 2. It seems a lot of the rest are players that "could" be on steroids...or have been rumored to have been on steroids in the past. 3. Lastly, and probably the biggest, is the format. In a formal report, would they call Ivan Rodriguez "Pudge"? Especially when they name Maurice Vaughn?

While I don't agree with Mitchell being named to head the investigation....do you really believe this?

I would give anything for Derek Jeter to be on the list.

Coco doesn't have to have a resurgence on offense. His total game, offense and defense, made him, arguably, a more valuable player than Manny Ramirez last season. Is it wrong to expect a moderate upward trend? Maybe a line of .280/.340/.400? It seems predicting a moderate increase in production is a safer bet than your claim he will fall off the earth completely. If Crisp hits .275 with his GG defense, for his contract, would you not argue he gives the Sox tremendous value? Again, this isn't a Crisp v. Ellsbury debate, right?

Referring to Fenway.

That's a shame, seeing as it's half the game. You don't think having a guy like Crisp out there with FB pitchers like Schilling, DiceK, and Wakefield makes any bit of difference? You got me. I never watch the games, just take all of the stats that come of them and run computer simulations with them 24/7. Stat geeks never watch any games for fear their numbers, which are the result of games played on the field, will not agree with what people's "eyes" tell them. I despise this argument. Statistics are not the be-all and end-all. But they are a valuable tool and should be used in addition to observation. Unfortunately, I have no observations because I don't watch the games as often as some people. So watching him after his 2005 season, you felt this way? After 2006, when he broke his hand? You're making personnel decisions based off a ridiculously small sample size, while completely ignoring Crisp's biggest strength. No wonder you don't like him. It's not about disrespecting someone's opinion. It's about formulating good, solid discussion because that's what this message board's purpose is. It won't hurt my feelings if you offer a counter-argument, believe me. If there was no discussion, no debate, this place would be awfully boring.

So what you're telling me, is that Coco's defensive worth is based off of I'll ask again. Barring injury, what reasons do you have that Crisp will regress defensively?

With Coco the monkey patrolling CF this season, the team won 96 games. Don't tell me "he didn't do anything", either. I can recite the stats if you'd like. Question - How many more games do the Sox win next year if Ellsbury is in CF all season long?

Congratulations. You sound like a Yankee fan.

Explain this one to me. Barring injury, why don't you have the confidence in Crisp's ability to defend as well as he did last season?

No.

Shocking I'd make this thread. But the article is a really good read....even if you aren't a Packer fan. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/magazine/specials/sportsman/2007/12/03/sportsman.2007/index.html