I never looked for the argument. After I happily posted that Clemens sucks during last night's game, I was asked if I had wanted Clemens when he was available. The answer is yes, because he is still, yes still, better than the other three guys. I don't care about his salary. It's not my concern. When I watch a game I don't care what the players make. I want to see overpaid guys like Manny coming out of the dugout instead of guys like Melky Cabrera, because I want to watch them win. Here's a flash. The managers don't care about the finances. They just want the tools and opportunity to win. They don't care how management gets those players. You are right that I cannot lose the argument if the question is who is the better pitcher, so why do you keep arguing? BTW If I were considering cost in the equation, it wouldn't have much of an impact, because it is a one-year commitment which will not affect future transactions. All I am saying is that Clemens is a better pitcher than Tavarez, Gabbard and Hansack based strictly on ability. That anyone would disagree with that baffles me, but please don't tell me what question I should ask. When MVP, Cy Young and other awards are voted on, Salary is not a consideration. Batting titles and Home Run Crowns are not adjusted for economics. Clemensis a better pitcher than the other three. I don't care if he lives in a bigger house.