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Really? How would that be?

So?

I am talking about this whole BV flap which is much ado about nothing, IMO, and it is emblematic of the hyper-sensitive PC world in which we live. Now, it is a PC faux pas for a manager to say that he has a call into a player that hasn't been returned. OMG! Such an attack on character. It's just so ridiculous.

I wasn't starting an argument.

Towards the end of the season, some writers (I think Cafardo was one) alluded to the fact that Crawford was not very gracious or open with the writers after games.

I've never been a big fan of Quentin coming to Fenway. He would have been a disaster in RF.

100% right. People were talking about trading Beckett on the message boards, talk radio and the newspapers before Bobby V got an interview. And people weren't too thrilled with CC either. Bobby V has had nothing to do with the issues of either of these players.

Corrected.

He hasn't breached any confidences.

There is a good deal of ambivelence no doubt about that, but those people really don't make any sound, so they don't count. No one is saying anything positive about the guy since Spring Training 2011. There are people who have been negative about him. They ain't hard to find. Like I said, I am not taking a referendum on the guy. I am a fan of his. I would hope that people appreciate his talents. However, ambivalence translates into nothing. No one cheers the guy.

Another RH RFer eliminated from consideration by the Sox.

It's really not that bad.:dunno:

Oh come on E1, you have always preached about patience. Do really believe that Bobby V has done this ^? Let me say again that I have never been a fan of Bobby V's personality. It has always been my opinion that because he is one of the very few managers with an IQ above double digits, that he is very full of himself. However, I really don't think he has done anything wrong... yet. When he does, it will be unmistakable, probably resulting in a fine or his firing. Up until now, the only people who have criticized him have been a lot of super sensitive people raised in an ultra PC world where skins have been conditioned to be so thin that it can barely keep the human form.

:lol::lol:What has he done so far that has been so terrible?

Sample size? I'm not trying to take a scientific survey or predict one. I'm still a big CC fan, but I can't say that I have heard much positive about him from fans anywhere for some time. The message boards have been negative. Talk Radio has been negative. Fenway crowds at games I have attended have been negative. Everywhere that I encounter Sox fan I hear negativity. Is there a silent majority that likes him. I don't know and they really don't matter if they stay silent do they.

I don't think that is where Valentine is at. He's not a likeable guy, but he is not stupid. He's probably one of the more intelligent managers, maybe the most intelligent now that La Russa is retired.

At the end of last season, most fans seemed to have turned on him.

A starter who performs at the average or better than the average for major leaguers at his position.

I never liked Bobby V, but I do respect his baseball knowledge. He is a better tactical game manager than Tito, and the Sox could have used that in 2011. Tito gave away a lot of games IMO, especially with his 7 run rule approach to starting pitching. Others may disagree, but I think most people saw him as a poor game tactician. We only needed to win 1 or 2 more games last year. A good game manager could have made the difference. Tito's managerial strength was in managing the personalities in the clubhouse. Once he could no longer do that, he offered nothing as manager. They have gone in the other direction with Bobby V. Most people won't like him, but players don't have to like him. Everyone hated Earl Weaver. Almost everyone, including his biggest stars, hated Billy Martin. La Russa wasn't universally loved either, nor was Ozzie G. I like it better if people hate the manager, because I am always critical of the manager during a game. Everyone, including me, loved Tito, so when I would criticize him I would get a lot of s*** for it. The first few times I mentioned the 7 run rule people were all over me for it.

The only extended period that Manny behaved himself was after the Sox placed him on waivers and no one wanted him and then they offered to tear up his contract and set him free. He basically shut his mouth after that and didn't start his BS act until 2006. They should do the same with Crawford. All the Manny enabling after 2005 never worked. He got worse and worse and basically quit on the team. They hushed up everything including an assault. Finally, saying that someone didn't return your call is not exactly dragging your name through the mud. People who think that it is need to get some perspective.

I really don't know what point you are trying to make with this. There is so much hyperbole in this post that I am not sure what you mean. First, let's not minimize 2011. It was the worst September collapse in Red Sox history, possibly in all MLB history. Old guys like me and SBF never saw anything like it. 1978 and 1951 (if Fred remembers it) pale in comparison to 2011. Let's not forget that the Giants were cheating in 1951. Who is this angry mob that you keep referencing? Did the Occupy Boston protest pass by Fenway at some point with placards? If there was an angry mob, it was the Red Sox owners and investors. They were surely very unhappy that the excellent franchise that they built up over 10 years took such a hit to its reputation in a period of 1 month. Heads had to roll and they did, and last that I looked there have been no angry gatherings on Yawkey Way except in the executive offices.